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[Nickasummers]

Just to be clear, that was sarcasm

[Dizzy]

I am the Weretiger.

[Lottel]

Oh god damn it.

[Envy]

In that case Dizzy on the suspicions of being a weretiger. That vote is as good as anyone else's right?

[Friend]

Why is it that when someone offers themselves up to be lynched another person decides to up the ante.

Another thing: I find Nickasummer's infatuation with Envy a bit strange:

I've seen innocent people (read: envy) get lynched for saying something that they intended one way but was seen as suspicious by others. He may well be bad, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am not going to jump on him for one post right now simply because I have been looking at things I normally don't and they are pointing a bit more at Friday. That said, someone else has since jumped onto my radar and I will be watching them closely.

Envy still hasn't posted, and neither Envy, Friday, or McDohl have voted, unless I miscounted.

I have stopped attempting to track the "number of waffles" statistic as well as voting history, because 1. we have a ton of players, 2. my free time has dropped by an average of 6.5 hours per day over the last week, and 3. the thread itself serves as voting history, assuming no monkey business.

Meanwhile, Dizzy's vote-to-post ratio is looking a little high.

Envy made one post, actually (page 2)
Unless I missed their vote when going through the thread, the people who have not yet voted are as follows:
Bleck
Envy
Friday
McDohl

You didnt ask, but the following people have made only one post thus far(again, unless i missed it. I am not perfect):
Bleck
Defenestration
Dizzy
Envy
Syl

Anything else you want to know?

Lets all lynch envy day 1 for saying something silly but not inherently wolfy. I mean, this happens almost every single game, but this time i bet he really is a wolf!

Why bother going to such lengths to defend Envy, unless you've scried him as the oracle?
...unless he's your teammate?

[LaserBeing]

Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.

[Lottel]

Is he volunteering or taking the bullet for you?

[Nickasummers]

I am not defending Envy. I am merely pointing out that there have been multiple games where someone other than envy has had multiple votes, and then someone calls envy on being quiet, he makes a post, and then suddenly everyone switches votes to him and lynches him. Sometimes he is, in fact bad. Sometimes he isnt. The post people lynch him for virtually never has anything actually wolfy in it. That is all I am saying.

THAT SAID some (not all, but some) of the votes on laser are also stupid. I am a firm believer that day 1 can provide relevant information before we lynch somebody, and that voting for someone for the sake of voting for someone (or for the sake of ending day 1) is stupid and bad for the team.

[Classic]

Slow down rummy. The corollary to Envy's statement is that he's not interested in establishing a voting record for himself and doesn't feel that voicing his opinions and trying to help us is worthwhile. It boils down to he's being only a nominal participant because he can't be a non-participant.

I'm not saying we ought to rush the day along, I'm saying if you're not working to root out bads you're a liability.

[Nickasummers]

If we had nobody else to vote for, I would agree that voting for him because he isn't helping us find bads is a good idea. The thing is, unless my memory is bad, he is acting precisely the way he normally does, which is pretty much the definition of "unsuspicious". I am actually okay with you voting for envy for the reason you just stated if you really believe he is going to be a problem, it is a valid reason to vote. But I can just feel the bandwagon getting ready to pounce on him because "hey its envy why not"

[Friend]

Dizzy is volunteering. We will all honour his selfless sacrifice.

Voting for Dizzy is a waste of time. He's obviously joking, and if he isn't, then it's still a waste of time to kill a known weretiger, especially on day 1. The weretiger is and always will be the innocent's ace in the hole. It's fine for the innocent team to lynch the weretiger incidentally, but unless the weretiger is also a Nosferatu/Lycan, there is never really a reason to actively lynch them unless the innocent team is on the verge of winning.

1) Because the other teams will be actively searching for the weretiger, especially if they are close to winning. Which leads to

2) Having the weretiger around delays the other teams, provided they are still looking. (In this case, assuming Dizzy is the weretiger, this benefit is nullified)

3) The other team will have to spend a night kill to get rid of the weretiger.

In conclusion, It's pointless to kill Dizzy right now, regardless of whether he is or is not the weretiger.

Having said that, I can understand why you're voting for Dizzy, since you'd probably want to get the heat off of yourself.

I am not defending Envy. I am merely pointing out that there have been multiple games where someone other than envy has had multiple votes, and then someone calls envy on being quiet, he makes a post, and then suddenly everyone switches votes to him and lynches him. Sometimes he is, in fact bad. Sometimes he isnt. The post people lynch him for virtually never has anything actually wolfy in it. That is all I am saying.

Why does it even matter to you that Envy's getting votes though? It's not as if he's top of the lynch list anyways.


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I agree with Classic.


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If we had nobody else to vote for, I would agree that voting for him because he isn't helping us find bads is a good idea. The thing is, unless my memory is bad, he is acting precisely the way he normally does, which is pretty much the definition of "unsuspicious". I am actually okay with you voting for envy for the reason you just stated if you really believe he is going to be a problem, it is a valid reason to vote. But I can just feel the bandwagon getting ready to pounce on him because "hey its envy why not"

Who do you think is more suspicious than Envy? I would write a more thorough response but my brain is kinda turning off here.

[Nickasummers]

It matters because there are other people that I think are more likely to be bad than him and killing an innocent is not good for us. I am about to do something with the information I have collected and make a post about who these 'other people' are after i have gotten a chance to look at it. But at this instant, I feel like the odds of envy being a good lynch are at best 'not in our favor'

I DO wish he would post more, and maybe make a vote that feels more than half-hearted, however.

[Nickasummers]

My top 5 list of people to lynch, in no particular order, are Friday, dtsund, laser, newbie, kayma.

Friday and Laser have been on my watch list for a while because they were both posting a lot but not saying much.
Laser started being more relevant as people started voting for him, but there are a few people he has not interacted with, one of which is kayma.
dtsund got onto my list for similar reasons, and also for bandwagoning (nice catch, DNi, he is exactly who i was refering to)
Newbie I actually was pretty sure was innocent for a while. He speaks reasonably often and never makes a post unless he has something worth saying. I didnt really notice him avoiding anyone (which to me would be a sign of being allies on a bad team). However, I know from Manpires v bearwolves IXtreme that he is a shrewd and skilled player. Being a good player alone would be a terrible reason to lynch someone, but kayma has kind of been harping on him.

If I had to guess, and lets face it, on day 1 most everything is pure conjecture, I would guess the following:
Kayma - dracula (scried newbie as a wolf or weretiger. since he doesnt want to turn him, he has tried to get a lynch on him)
Laser - vampire (hasnt interacted with kayma at all, and is in general suspicious to me)

Newbie - wolf (see kayma above. this is admitedly flimsy and I have no intention of voting for newbie today, but i intend to keep my eye on him)
dtsund - wolf (bandwagoning, posts fluff, voted for laser so if laser is a vampire dtsund is not)

Friday - Weretiger (seriously, while writing stuff down I have gotten the strong feeling that friday is trying to avoid everyone without being quiet. i just have a feeling)

If Friday IS the weretiger, we don't want her dead just yet.

Sure. Whatever. Show us your Introduction to Microsoft Office project.

Newbie's behavior does not fit my data.

I'm not. Newbie.

So Kayma, mind telling us why you are so interested in Newbie?

[Friday]

All I can say is Friend is right: The Weretiger is primarily a good thing for the innocents to keep around. During the mid game, the vampires are forced to put on the brakes of their relentless expansion if they haven't found the tiger yet. They will even start scrying their own team sometimes (I've seen it happen.) Similar things happen within the wolf ranks, especially if the vampires get a bad start and end up underpopulated/crippled in the mid-game.

Of course, we can't win while the Tiger lives, and ultimately all three factions want him dead. He's gotten a buff in this version that he never had before, he can actually be on both evil teams at the same time. This is fucking huge. A tiger lucky enough to get turned twice (or start off as vamp or wolf and then get turned) is in an extremely powerful position. Though the chances of this happening are slim to none, nonetheless, if I was a bad, I'd be extra paranoid this game.

[Friday]

Anyway, from what I understand, Dizzy is TT's version of Guild when it comes to wolf. Take what he says the same way you would take Guild.

And keep in mind that Guild, despite the meme, is actually a pretty damn good wolf player, when town. I don't know about Dizzy, but he can't have a reputation over there for nothing.

Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?

[dtsund]

dtsund got onto my list for similar reasons, and also for bandwagoning

I would be interested to know how, exactly, we're supposed to get anyone lynched on Day 1 without "bandwagoning".  As you say,

on day 1 most everything is pure conjecture

Short of someone with a Night 0 power coming forward with a scry result, most of today's accusations and counter-accusations and whatnot are going to be wild speculation.  In this climate, lynches don't happen without "bandwagoning".

Since you seem to regard bandwagoning as a bad thing, does this mean you'd prefer a No Lynch vote?

Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?

Dizzy's reputation is for... unusual play.  Not bad play per se, but he tends to be rather inscrutable, and "I am the Weretiger" is absolutely something he'd say regardless of whether he's the Weretiger.

Guild's reputation on TT is as the Worst Player Ever, but he was guilty in both of the games he played there, so.

[Defenestration]

No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.

[dtsund]

No Lynch votes are *always* a losing proposition. We ascertain nothing during the day, and the scum gets a night phase free to further whittle down inno numbers in return. Ruthlessness is necessary for town victory. Some innocents will be caught in the fire almost surely, but letting the chance go by to kill a wolfpire is beyond foolish. I will vote immediately for anyone that seriously lobbies for one.

I happen to agree with this assessment, but the question wasn't directed at you and was largely rhetorical anyway.

[Syl]

I just wanted to say that I'm keeping my vote for Friday even though it is now, actually, Friday. 

Anyway, from what I understand, Dizzy is TT's version of Guild when it comes to wolf. Take what he says the same way you would take Guild.

And keep in mind that Guild, despite the meme, is actually a pretty damn good wolf player, when town. I don't know about Dizzy, but he can't have a reputation over there for nothing.

Perhaps a TTer who knows him might enlighten me: Guild plays an incredible town, but a mediocre to lackluster bad. Is Dizzy similar, reversed, etc?

I have no fucking clue what this post means.

What is TT?  Who/what is Guild?  When you say "town" are you talking about someone without powers or a particular situation?

[Kayma]

What is TT?  Who/what is Guild?  When you say "town" are you talking about someone without powers or a particular situation?

Kayma here. Welcome to the next installment in my 438 part TEDxMAFIA talk, "Werewolves and Where to Find Them"

TT is Talking Time, step sister forum of Brontoforum.us. Some of the people in this game hail from there. They play Werewolf except they usually call it mafia and they talk way, way more than us. They're cute.

Guild is a notorious wolf player from these forums known for his theatrics, intimate knowledge of the workings of this game, and complete, utter insanity. He is at any one time the best or the worst player who has ever been. He was basically banned from playing over at TT. A common inside meme is to just vote for him immediately to get him out of the game, whether he's playing or not.

"Town" refers to the innocent roles, powered or not, who win when all mafia/vampires/werewolves/etc. are dead