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[Friend]

The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.

Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.

Stush is being Crazy, but so is Defenestration.

...Every time you post, my urge to vote for you rises higher and higher.

[Friday]

Today, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)

OK, Newbie. I'm willing to put up with your super secret "I am using google docs spreadsheet" voting strategy, but this seems like an incredibly arbitrary fucking reason to vote for someone. I'm not gonna vote for you because I've been wrong about your weird playstyle in the past, but please do us a favor and explain WHY POSTING FIRST is indicative of being a wolfpire.

RE: Stush: Stush is Stush and is the happiest most sunshiney person ever. It's entirely possible he's just being cheerful because he's Stush. Of course, he survived until the late game as a bad once because NOBODY SUSPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION STUSH

RE: Dizzy: Ok, so after he calmed down last time I sort of forgot about him. Now he's calling attention to himself again, in a game where no role, at all, wants attention. I can only assume he is doing reverse psychology here. There's no logical reason for him to post this way otherwise. If he wanted out of the game, he could have just asked the GM and been replaced.

Dizzy.

[Dizzy]

Well, Stush. It's time to say goodbye...



...to your tush.

[Bleck]

The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.

Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.

The first three to vote for Nex (who, in case you forgot, was human) were Zara, Lottel, and then gahitsu. Zara's vote can easily be seen as an attempt to pressure Nex. Lottel's vote is suspicious because of the same reason he claimed Nex was suspicious - if Lottel thought it was suspicious to cast a second vote onto a person when the first post was supposedly an innocuous attempt at pressure, why would he then do the same to Nex?

And then we have gahitsu. The third vote was supposedly cast because Nex was 'joking about being the Weretiger', when he was actually posting about how claiming to be the Weretiger on the first day isn't productive. So... it's apparently super suspicious when somebody points out what would be a bad idea when playing? I guess that makes a lot of sense, seeing as Nex was a werew- no, wait, he was a fucking human!

I'd say Lottel's vote is pretty suspicious, but gahitsu's vote is way moreso. Seeing as though, again, Nex was a human, I think it would be in our best interest to, you know, actually put pressure on people who decided to lynch a human. Because there are, like, lycanthropires and such lurking about, and I'm pretty damn sure that it's pretty damn likely that they're going to be working together to do this exact thing that they're doing right now.

[gahitsu]

The fuck that nobody is voting for gahitsu is baffling.

Clearly everyone's missed what makes gahitsu so obviously bad, so you should probably explain it to the rest of us.

The first three to vote for Nex (who, in case you forgot, was human) were Zara, Lottel, and then gahitsu. Zara's vote can easily be seen as an attempt to pressure Nex. Lottel's vote is suspicious because of the same reason he claimed Nex was suspicious - if Lottel thought it was suspicious to cast a second vote onto a person when the first post was supposedly an innocuous attempt at pressure, why would he then do the same to Nex?

And then we have gahitsu. The third vote was supposedly cast because Nex was 'joking about being the Weretiger', when he was actually posting about how claiming to be the Weretiger on the first day isn't productive. So... it's apparently super suspicious when somebody points out what would be a bad idea when playing? I guess that makes a lot of sense, seeing as Nex was a werew- no, wait, he was a fucking human!

I'd say Lottel's vote is pretty suspicious, but gahitsu's vote is way moreso. Seeing as though, again, Nex was a human, I think it would be in our best interest to, you know, actually put pressure on people who decided to lynch a human. Because there are, like, lycanthropires and such lurking about, and I'm pretty damn sure that it's pretty damn likely that they're going to be working together to do this exact thing that they're doing right now.

How can you type so much when you can't fucking read? Dizzy was the one claiming Weretigger you nincompoop, this was covered over the course of like a dozen posts if you missed it the first time. My complaint with Nex is that he was arguing that it is okay for a townie to claim Weretiger later during the game but not at the beginning. I even quoted it for everyone's convenience! I feel bad about lynching Nex, but only because he's vanilla and instead of succumbing to vanilla apathy, he tried to be an active participant and it ended up getting him lynched day two. But he also said stupid anti-town shit and I'm not going to feel bad about lynching a player for saying stupid anti-town shit, even if it turns out he's just a crappy vanilla.

[Lottel]

Aaaand back after a long, awful day of work and this thread has been super busy!
I agree with Friday that Dizzy is more than likely pulling some sort of weird double or quadruple reverse psychology stunt for no reason once so ever. Stush has been acting weird, yes, but the odd one here is Newbie.

He comes out swinging from day one saying he has math backing up all of his choices, seems to vote randomly. Today he just doesn't care and votes for Defen for just posting first. Either Newbie has been fucking with all of us this whole time and keeps avoiding getting lynched thanks to his fangy/furry friends or he has an actual reason for voting for Defenestration and is just lying about it.

Either he's got sharp teeth or he's hiding information we desperately need. We need to put pressure on him.

[Bleck]

How can you type so much when you can't fucking read?

Yeah, getting this angry in response to one vote isn't suspicious at all. Remember when I said gahitsu seemed nervous?

My complaint with Nex is that he was arguing that it is okay for a townie to claim Weretiger later during the game but not at the beginning.

Yes? It's possible for there to be a point where claiming to be the Weretiger might be beneficial in some capacity, but it's extremely unlikely to happen early in the game. I don't really see why somebody saying this justifies lynching a human.

But he also said stupid anti-town shit and I'm not going to feel bad about lynching a player for saying stupid anti-town shit, even if it turns out he's just a crappy vanilla.

Anti-town shit? You realize that, as the town is made up of humans, lynching a human for stupid reasons would be anti-town shit?

Even if you aren't a bad, saying that you're justified about lynching a human for any reason is a good reason to lynch you anyways. The humans don't need players who are going lead bandwagons on their own kind.

[Lottel]

For shits and giggles, I'm going to point this out.

Even if you aren't a bad, saying that you're justified about lynching a human for any reason is a good reason to lynch you anyways. The humans don't need players who are going lead bandwagons on their own kind.

[Classic]

Cheers bleck. May whatever cruel thing you worship have mercy on your twisted soul.

[Bleck]

For shits and giggles, I'm going to point this out.

Are you specifying that you're doing this jokingly to pre-emptively quash the idea that you're doing it to defend a teammate?

[jsnlxndrlv]

Today, I vote for the first person to respond to the thread... so, Defenestration, you're it. (Also my phone can't reach google docs.)

OK, Newbie. I'm willing to put up with your super secret "I am using google docs spreadsheet" voting strategy, but this seems like an incredibly arbitrary fucking reason to vote for someone. I'm not gonna vote for you because I've been wrong about your weird playstyle in the past, but please do us a favor and explain WHY POSTING FIRST is indicative of being a wolfpire.

It's not so much that posting first is an incredibly damning move—although it does seem like you're more likely to have a special role or item if you post first. (Has this proven true in other games? That's something I should look into later.) Rather, as I pointed out at the time, I could access the game from work, but I couldn't access my game spreadsheet (in good conscience, anyway—not going to log into my personal google account on a work computer). I wouldn't need to access my spreadsheet if my voting rubric for the moment was sufficiently simple, though, and that reminded me of my long-held suspicion of people who post the soonest. It was a marriage of calculation and convenience.

Now that I actually have my notes in front of me, I see that Defenestration and gahitsu should be tied for most posts in the game. (Standard disclaimer about the possibility of human error.) While one or both could be evil, the more I think about it, the less I'm convinced that posting a lot = likely bad. Similarly, I'm not convinced Stush is evil just because of statements that don't support sound play tactics—Stush is Stush and I very much doubt team affiliation is going to change that.

Rather, I think I'm going to vote for McDohl, who earns the distinction of having the greatest deviation from average number of posts per player, with 1 post, compared to the average of 12.667. (I PMed Dohl a while back to see what was up, and despite being having a hard time getting the time to play, he didn't seem to have much trouble getting time to respond to my PM.)

[jsnlxndrlv]

...huh. I think I'd better get to bed before I get the urge to make another parenthetical aside.

(...too late.)

[Stush]

This is a strawman. None of us (well, most of us) aren't trying to lynch innocents. No one said we wanted to kill innocents. We have, however, admitted that there will be innocent casualties when using the lynch. This is mostly unavoidable as a result of the uninformed nature of the town. We've brought this up already. You're either missing the point, or just being intentionally obtuse. Stush.

I think it's pretty bloody obvious that i'm missing the point here. If I was a badguy, why would I draw attention onto myself with posts that accomplish nothing? I'm just saying this stuff because I just think it's funny that people act like they have a strategy, but it just seems like they either vote at random, or at the first person who catches their attention.

Well, Stush. It's time to say goodbye...



...to your tush.

Okay, that made me laugh a lot, so I can't be mad at you for voting for me, but if you're a human [which I sort of doubt at the moment], and for any other humans out there, if you vote for me, you're gonna feel pretty silly afterwards.

But yeah, is there any way I can change my vote to Dizzy? There's no reason for Dizzy to want to be lynched unless it's reverse psychology. If he wants out of the game, he can get out without us lynching him.

[McDohl]

Yeah, I want to apologize for the inactivity.  Some shit in my life got sorta hectic, and this thread was one of the last things to cross my mind.

Anyway, back to wolf.

Newbie, I can't really defend myself from your vote against me.  Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that.

I still say it's WAY too early for someone to be claiming weretiger.  I never felt comfortable at all a few games back when I was the weretiger ninja.  Now there's a weird dilemma, lemme tell you.

It might look retaliatory, but I feel that Newbie has something to hide.

[Syl]

I go to work and like 20 posts happen. Catching up. 

[Friend]

If I was a badguy, why would I draw attention onto myself with posts that accomplish nothing?

Why does anybody do anything? It is a mystery.

I'm just saying this stuff because I just think it's funny that people act like they have a strategy, but it just seems like they either vote at random, or at the first person who catches their attention.

Look, I'm not going to lie. I do both of those things you mentioned. However, that's not what Defenestration and I am grilling you about. With or without a strategy, the innocents must lynch someone. That's the only way the town will win. Every day we lynch someone, we have a chance of killing a baddie, though we have a chance at killing an innocent. That happens. We can afford to lose people because we have a numbers advantage.

You keep mentioning that you don't want to kill innocents.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not trying to kill innocents, but it's inevitable if we're going to get rid of the other teams. So stop saying it. The lynch is necessary. But for now I'll retract my vote.

But yeah, is there any way I can change my vote to Dizzy? There's no reason for Dizzy to want to be lynched unless it's reverse psychology. If he wants out of the game, he can get out without us lynching him.

EVERYONE STOP VOTING FOR DIZZY.
Okay, I confess, I don't actually know if Dizzy is evil or not. But let me ask you this: Has someone ever role revealed as evil from out of the blue, and actually been evil?

Now, this is just my intuition, but I feel that Dizzy's just playing with you guys. He seems like the type to enjoy tricking people, because it amuses him. It's interesting because the first time he raised attention to himself, we ignored his cries for attention so he had to escalate the situation. It looks like this attempt might work, but I'd rather kill someone else who I actually suspect to be evil.

Anyways, suppose it really is reverse psychology and Dizzy's actually the weretiger. I thought we've already established that we didn't want to kill the weretiger this early. Or has everyone already forgotten?

Unless everyone thinks that Dizzy's not actually the weretiger and just plain bad? In case revealing himself as a trick would be dumb. Especially after he got away with it in day one or whenever. It's be much more plausible if he didn't push his luck again today. Doing it once is strategic. Doing it twice is insanity.

One last thing: I was going to change my vote to Mcdohl, but after reading his post, I don't feel suspicious towards him anymore.

(I'm probably going to vote for Bleck/gahitsu, but I'll wait till they settle their argument before I decide.)

[Syl]

Dizzy says he's the weretiger.  I'm voting to kill the fucking weretiger. Dizzy. Why?  Cause the weretiger could very well also be a werewolf or a vamp, and its a fucking win-win-win situation if Dizzy is ANY of the above. 

On that note,

...Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that....

Mcdohl, I think i'm more confused by this post compared to anyone.  It's wonderful that you believe I shouldn't die, I just wish I had a clue why you felt so strongly about this. 

[Stush]

You keep mentioning that you don't want to kill innocents.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not trying to kill innocents, but it's inevitable if we're going to get rid of the other teams. So stop saying it. The lynch is necessary. But for now I'll retract my vote.

Yeah, sorry about that, you can sort of chalk all of that up to it being only the second time I've ever played, and the first time in like.. I dunno, 5 years? Plus, I tend to feel the need to whine about stuff going wrong.

But I can't figure out what Dizzy's up to, I mean, lying about being a badguy and getting everyone to lynch you for no reason when you're just a plain innocent seems like a good way to not get invited to the next game. So the only thing that makes sense is that they're a badguy. To me, at least, I might be totally wrong.

[jsnlxndrlv]

Yeah, I want to apologize for the inactivity.  Some shit in my life got sorta hectic, and this thread was one of the last things to cross my mind.

Anyway, back to wolf.

Newbie, I can't really defend myself from your vote against me.  Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that.

I still say it's WAY too early for someone to be claiming weretiger.  I never felt comfortable at all a few games back when I was the weretiger ninja.  Now there's a weird dilemma, lemme tell you.

It might look retaliatory, but I feel that Newbie has something to hide.

/shrug

You can plead out-of-game factors if you'd like, but claiming "you don't want me dead" just reconfirms that your silence has been deliberate rather than inadvertent. Also, if you're the seer or something you really shouldn't be saying that sort of thing when there's only one vote on you.

[Caithness]

...Suffice to say, you don't want me dead.  Unless you've scried me and are a bad.  I could say the same about Syl, but I haven't had the opportunity to analyze my gut feeling about that....

Mcdohl, I think i'm more confused by this post compared to anyone.  It's wonderful that you believe I shouldn't die, I just wish I had a clue why you felt so strongly about this.

He's not putting you in the same category as himself, silly, he's putting you in the same category as Newbie. Because you're the two people who have voted for him.

And now I'm voting for you, Syl. Most of your posts so far have been entirely without content.