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[Classic]

Just a reminder, people, if things are as grim as Friend says...

The nosferatus still  have their master and backup master. They will likely turn more people.
Total players: 13
Total baddies: 5-9.
Worst case scenario, innos are already outnumbered.

Keeping the weretiger around might be the only thing stalling a bad victory.
We've just had people role-call the top two most valuable innocent roles. This is nutty.
I'm still crossing my fingers that this is some absolutely insane ploy and that Stush or Friend is someone we can lynch with impunity, but I have no idea whose role-call it would make more sense to test.

[Friend]

buddy, if you want crazy, here's some crazy for you:

My belief that Stush wasn't the PI was based around the fact that he didn't say anything about Friend's second role as the Devil—I assumed the PI would have no reason to conceal that, as long as he was still aligned with the innocents, and so I didn't want to tip my hand to Stush (who I honestly thought was evil at the time) by showing that I knew Friend was the Devil.

Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.

Here's a reason stush would conceal the fact that I'm the devil: because he wanted to protect his identity. Probably from werewolves or in your case, vampires. See, here's my theory. Newbie and Stush are actually both vampires conspiring to lynch me. Stush may or may not be the PI, but if he is, he's a turned PI. The fact that he confessed that he was the PI didn't change anything in Newbie's case. He said he didn't want to tip his hand to Stush, but for some reason he does so now. Stush didn't do anything to prove that he was the PI. All he did was confess it, after Newbie basically set him up to do so:

The fact that Stush wants to kill Friend intrigues me, because I know for a fact that Friend is the weretiger: the PI accepted my bid to scry him last night. I wouldn't be admitting this right now, but since Friend is getting votes, that's enough reason to suspect at least one evil team is aware of his felinity.

The PI accepts Newbie's bid, everyone votes for Stush, and now Stush happens to be the PI? Another thing: look how Newbie talks about how I was getting votes. In fact, the only vote on me was Stush's vote. Certainly reason to suspect at least one evil team was aware of my felinity, right? Because of one vote? It's not like you're a vampire bringing up my weretiger status to get me lynched, right?

The fact that Newbie tried to divert the attention away from Stush by bringing up my weretiger status and then subsequently giving Stush an opening to claim PI, while changing his vote from Stush to me, leaves me thinking that Newbie is a vampire mastermind. One last thing:

I don't think we should vote Friend, since the wolfpires will be falling all over each other to kill him now.

Fuck it, I'll vote Friend, if I can.

I mean cmon, even if you're innocent and you think Stush is the PI, at least look for another bad guy, not the one you acknowledge would be a poor lynch.

ANYWAYS
if you're talking bizarre scenarios, I figure I'd at least get that one out of my head.

[Defenestration]

Holy shit, I left to watch explosions and get drunk and all this happens. I have no idea which way is up right now. The devil may count as an innocent, but just leaving a found weretiger seems like an incredibly poor idea at first glance. I'm going to need to think about this. The only thing that seems certain is that Stush is telling the truth if Friend outed himself as a weretiger. I'll be back later.

you dog I heard you like Hammertime etc. etc. Does it stack? Well, if it does I use it. We can't afford to make a wrong lynch today.

[Bleck]

Remember the last time we killed somebody when everything was all batshit insane? Turns out they were a human and just fucking with everybody for some reason.

Maybe we should shelve the scenario presented to us and use the extra time to examine some other players who've said suspicious things. Like Lottel or gahitsu, for instance.

[Stush]

Yeah, I didn't say that Friend was the devil because I was trying to do it without letting out that I was the PI. But then I figured it was either out myself or get lynched. I was originally just gonna let myself get lynched just because I felt so dumb about it. But then I realised that was sort of selfish and a waste of a lynch.

I wish I could help you guys by telling you the results of my PI scries, but all of them were innocent and they're dead now.

[Friend]

The devil may count as an innocent, but just leaving a found weretiger seems like an incredibly poor idea at first glance.

It does to a vampire, which you are. Possibly.

The only thing that seems certain is that Stush is telling the truth if Friend outed himself as a weretiger.

This is false, actually. It proves that Newbie knows my identity, whether from the PI or from a scry. The fact that Stush claimed PI doesn't prove anything on his part. I won't be surprised if you all are on the same team, because you do so well a job at corroborating each other's alibis.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now though, because

I have no idea which way is up right now.

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Remember the last time we killed somebody when everything was all batshit insane? Turns out they were a human and just fucking with everybody for some reason.

Maybe we should shelve the scenario presented to us and use the extra time to examine some other players who've said suspicious things. Like Lottel or gahitsu, for instance.

Well, we don't know the full context of that situation. Syl might have genuinely propositioned Dizzy while masquerading as a vampire. But you're right in that you guys should probably be investigating other suspicious people.

Yeah, I didn't say that Friend was the devil because I was trying to do it without letting out that I was the PI. But then I figured it was either out myself or get lynched. I was originally just gonna let myself get lynched just because I felt so dumb about it. But then I realised that was sort of selfish and a waste of a lynch.

I wish I could help you guys by telling you the results of my PI scries, but all of them were innocent and they're dead now.

What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?

[Bleck]

My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.

In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!

[Classic]

The worst part about this whole thing is that realizing I was watching a bandwagon form made me forget about my character bit.

Oh, REAL PI, PLEASE DO NOT CALL AND GET TURNED. THAT WOULD BE MEGA-STUPID.
I hope you're someone who knows how to play this game like Lottel or Kayma.

[Classic]

My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.

In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!

Since you're being mad bold, you should probably make sure to bold the name of the dude you're voting for so that BB can skim for bold font if he's in a hurry.

[Bleck]

My vote hasn't changed, but for posterity's sake, I'm currently voting for Lottel.

[Lottel]

Alright?
Listen, I don't like my name coming up so often on a page. People voting for me is one thing, but people saying my name and not voting for me is another. I don't like it.

And Bleck, I'm not sure where your hard on for my throat came from other than my post about Envy being suspicious but I still think Envy's off and I'm not taking that back.

The way he phrased his vote just rings "Bad voting for another bad to look innocent" to me. If you don't see it that way, fine. But he tends to trip up on that sort of thing often and it's usually a pretty solid sign. He's been quiet thanks to his job and I can't blame him for that, but it also leads me with the unpleasant task of feeling he's a bad with nothing to show for it other than one word.

[Bleck]

You realize that using a player's actions in a previous game to justify your 'suspicion' implies that you have no good reason from this game, right?

[Lottel]

I'm saying Envy has a history of tripping over words in a manner that openly spells out what team he is on. I see here another instance occurring and I am pointing it out. If you don't like it, fine.
But I still feel it's worth noting.

[Stush]

What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?

You wanted me to scry caithness, but the Fog machine was deployed.

[McDohl]

I got the glasses in the last auction.

Who shall I scan tonight?

I'm going to retract my vote for Stush in light of the new commentary as well.

[jsnlxndrlv]

sup thread, posting from my phone. I wish to address the notion that i somehow just "knew" that stush was the pi after he'd done nothing to prove it, and that my vote  for friend  was somehow obvious proof of my vampirism.

stush is obviously the pi because in general people do not concoct massive convoluted cover stories when they're cornered--more often, they snap the way friend did. stush's behavior is not that of a player who tried to be too sneaky and is trying to cover up. he's the pi, and he's more than likely innocent, i would guess.

in my haste to remove my vote, i put it on friend even though i'd just said earlier in the day that we shouldn't lynch him. let me fix that now: Kayma is flying under the radar in a way that makes me nervous.

[Kayma]

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty confident that Stush shouldn't be lynched. So let's go ahead and rescind that.

[Friend]

What a convenient story. They all so happen to be dead right now. Who did you scry night 3?

You wanted me to scry caithness, but the Fog machine was deployed.

I can now confirm that either Stush is the PI or he is communicating with the PI.

[Bongo Bill]

I missed a day.

It seems Stush did reach 7 votes. However, almost immediately afterward, Classic deployed a Hammertime and rescinded his vote, bringing the tally back under 7. I want to ensure that everybody has a chance to respond to events, at least when there are still so many players left alive. Given the sheer number of people who apparently regretted their votes, the copious duration of my absence, and the fact that more has happened after the Hammertime than before it, my ruling is that the rescindment stands, and Stush will live for now.

I'll ensure that the rules on this point are more explicit in the next version.

Since two Hammertimes were deployed, the day will continue until tomorrow evening.

My vote is still on Lottel, and this won't change unless I hear good reason to change it.

In fact, I'd bet that Lottel is some kind of bad. My life on it, in fact!

Bleck has activated his Betting token, giving him triple vote power for today only. If the person he chooses is indeed lynched, and turns out to be human, Bleck will also be lynched! Otherwise, nothing special happens (but the token is used up anyway).

The current vote tallies stand thus:

Lottel: 3
Stush: 2
Defenestration: 1
Envy: 1
Friend: 1
Kayma: 1

[Caithness]

Well, I'm pretty sure that either Bleck or Lottel (or both) is bad, so why let the token go to waste?

Lottel