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[Classic]

I voted for Envy as part of that big block of text.

[Bongo Bill]

I voted for Envy as part of that big block of text.

How embarrassing.

The current vote tallies are:
Kayma: 2
Envy: 2
Defenestration: 1
Friend: 1

[McDohl]

I'm thinking Gahitsu.

[gahitsu]

Vamps sure are steamrolling to off the vampire hunter. 

[Friend]

Here's why I didn't want to vote for a wolf (though I  did one anyways due to petty revenge voting): I can't determine how many vampires are still in this game.  I don't know how many nights the vampires spent scying, but since the vamps aren't saying anything, I can only guess.

We already know Defenestration is a vampire through deduction.
Mcdohl is the baner though he could be turned. He could also have the poison and be plotting to kill gahitsu now that gahitsu's been outed as the hunter.
Dtsund is the seer though he could be turned. dtsund, you might as well tell us who you scribed at this point because you're not helping anybody by being this quiet.

Stush may or may not be turned. I really don't know at this point.

That leaves me with Classic. I originally thought you were innocent, but now I'm not so sure. You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves. First of all, if I was planning this elaborate set up to win, why would I leave my only chance of victory to a mad dash at the lightsaber? That is, in my opinion, a stupid fucking plan. Secondly, the reason I would feel more comfortable killing vampires than wolves is the wolves are a known entity to me. I haven't scried a single vampire this whole game. I really don't want to leave this night down to an unknown entity like that. Lastly, You've said there can only be 2 possible vamp turns, and 1 original vampire. The thing is, how do we know Newbie didn't turn someone the night he died? This is possible due to the mystery surrounding Newbie's cause of death and the turn order. Was Newbie killed by gahitsu, or by the assassin blade? if so, they kill him after he has already turned. If Newbie was wolf killed, and Bleck was assassinated, then you're right that there's 3 max vampires. But if you're a lying vamp, this could very well be a sneak attempt by the vampires to sweep this game. And that's why I'm uncomfortable with killing a wolf.

[Defenestration]

Gahitsu seems like a fine plan to me, especially if we have a consensus imo.

[Friend]

tomorrow we find out stush mcdohl and defenestration are all vampires

[Kayma]

tomorrow we find out stush mcdohl and defenestration are all vampires

More or less. Want to join a bandwagon that mathematically cannot occur? I'll start. Defenestration

[Stush]

[I had a whole thing written out and then the cat sat on my mouse and hit the back button and it all got deleted]

I'm gonna switch my vote to Defenestration.

I'm not really sure of anything, i'm just going on a hunch, which is about the strongest lead i've got.

Remember to use the PI tonight, guys. Even if you think i'm turned. I still can't give you inaccurate information.

[Defenestration]

Why do you switch your vote around the second anyone votes for you or expresses suspicion about you, Stush?

[Defenestration]

Also, did you miss this entire post?

How are you so goddamn certain that I am a vampire *specifically* anyway, might I ask? Certain I'm not a wolf? And if you are, why are you not targeting wolves? I understand if it will be difficult for you to see things from a town perspective now but I ask you to *try.* Compare how many vampire deaths there have been to wolf deaths. How many nights have the vampires scried instead of turning? There certainly can't be that many left, but somewhere around 4-5 wolves. We need to have wolves die, not vampires. It's ideal to even out the numbers of both sides for town, letting them pick each other off. The fact that you're so dead set on hunting vampires when we have not one but *two* wolf leads calls your allegiance into question. Wolf.

Do you refute this logic, Stush? If so explain why, like Friend did.

[Friend]

Do you refute this logic, Stush? If so explain why, like Friend did.

I like how you're now calling for Stush to refute your logic after ignoring every accusation I threw at you

[Defenestration]

What's there to refute? Through poor wording I *did* make myself look like a vampire and I don't have any evidence to the contrary. I'm not going to waste everyone's time and make myself look like a fool refuting that when I have nothing to say other than "Guys I'm not a vampire please believe me". Also you are both the weretiger and an extremely good player that I would not put past Batman level schemes. The fact that anyone takes your advice after being confirmed as the weretiger still is amazing, though irrelevant since it looks like you just got poisoned by Kayma.

[Classic]

Here's why I didn't want to vote for a wolf (though I  did one anyways due to petty revenge voting): I can't determine how many vampires are still in this game... I would feel more comfortable killing vampires than wolves is the wolves are a known entity to me.

As a scrier, you goddamned idiot, the more time passes the more known entities you have. Getting rid of wolves means that we're not risking innocents on the lynch.

But you know that, you're trying to trigger a victory condition while you're still alive, and every wolf that dies represents a longer span of time that you have to hold out against death.

I haven't scried a single vampire this whole game. I really don't want to leave this night down to an unknown entity like that. Lastly, You've said there can only be 2 possible vamp turns, and 1 original vampire. The thing is, how do we know Newbie didn't turn someone the night he died?

That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn. Unless the rules have changed, vamps don't get night 0 actions. Only the oracle does. If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves.

No, you're wrong again. I keep mentioning the danger you represent TO the wolves. Because I want them, Envy, Kayma and Gahitsu, to work on killing you and the remaining vamps rather than trying to rush a victory by killing innocents and giving you a win.

[Classic]

Remember to use the PI tonight, guys. Even if you think i'm turned. I still can't give you inaccurate information.

This is why I've never called for you to be lynched. It's good advice either way.

But seriously, it's pretty obvious that defenestration is a vampire, we know it and the wolves know it, so let the wolves deal with him for us, especially since they already have Gahitsu.

[Friend]

Classic, you're missing my point.

it looks like you just got poisoned by Kayma.

You're probably right.

As a scrier, you goddamned idiot, the more time passes the more known entities you have. Getting rid of wolves means that we're not risking innocents on the lynch.

Obviously I get more scries as time goes on. The problem is, tonight is likely the last night and therefore I'm not getting any more scries. In the mean time, any and all of you innocents can be vampires at this point. Killing wolves means we're not risking more innocents to the lynch, but it does mean we're risking more innocents to Dracula two. You mentioned earlier that you're a bad turn because you're likely to self complode. However, I feel if you're not turned already, then tonight is a great night to turn you because turning you simultaneously neuters the innocents of their only active player and you can be used as a weapon to take out the wolves. Especially if we kill another wolf, then with two wolves left, a ninja flip leaves the wolf team with one player and a vampire win.

That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn. Unless the rules have changed, vamps don't get night 0 actions. Only the oracle does. If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

Classic, I'm not sure what you're talking about. 5 nights, 5 turns, means a possible 7 vampires. We've killed 3 vampires, leaving a possible 4:
(this next paragraph is hypothetical)Defenestration, you, Stush, and Mcdohl. Stush, Mcdohl, and Defenestration already voted for gahitsu. Theoretically, they would need one more vote on gahitsu from anybody, leaving you to switch your vote to gahitsu and round out the day by taking out your most pressing threat and weakening the wolf team.

Also,

Dracula has a Night 0 scry.

You keep mentioning the danger I represent and the need to kill the wolves.

No, you're wrong again. I keep mentioning the danger you represent TO the wolves. Because I want them, Envy, Kayma and Gahitsu, to work on killing you and the remaining vamps rather than trying to rush a victory by killing innocents and giving you a win.

This would certainly help the vamps in the scenario I present. They wouldn't even have to worry about the wolves taking out their satellite members, since they would be targeting me. Which, of course, would lead to their win condition- 9 Players currently, -1 wolf, -1 weretiger = 7 players total, 4 vamps, game over. That's not even taking into account their own night kill, which would counteract their dracula being murdered by gahitsu.

Last issue:

If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

Why would they possibly want us to think there are more vampires than the amount currently living? Less, I could understand. More is just crazy.

[dtsund]

Dtsund is the seer though he could be turned. dtsund, you might as well tell us who you scribed at this point because you're not helping anybody by being this quiet.

Yep.  Sorry, been busy lately, didn't have time to respond to this until now.

I can confirm that gahitsu is indeed a wolf.  Of my other three (non-blocked) scans, two of them were Nickasummers and Ardus on the very nights that they died.  Go me.

I'm unwilling to divulge the identity of the last one publically, since the person in question is neither guilty nor in danger of being lynched, and I don't want to give the wolfpires any more information.  I've talked to said person in private, however.

Anyway, guys, let's not forget that friend Friend is the weretiger, and as such will want to kill whatever faction he regards as weaker so that he can have a shot at winning.  I see that as good enough reason to just vote for gahitsu.

[Classic]

I feel if you're not turned already, then tonight is a great night to turn you because turning you simultaneously neuters the innocents of their only active player and you can be used as a weapon to take out the wolves. Especially if we kill another wolf, then with two wolves left, a ninja flip leaves the wolf team with one player and a vampire win.

You know, I really wish you wouldn't try to get me turned. First you let slip that I'm the ninja, then you create a scenario where neutralizing me leads to a vamp victory. It's like you really think I'm key to an innocent victory.

That's a good point, my calculations could be off. But if it's DAY 6, then we've gone 5 NIGHTS where the vamps can turn... If my numbers are off, they're exaggerating the number of vampires we have.

Classic, I'm not sure what you're talking about. 5 nights, 5 turns, means a possible 7 vampires. We've killed 3 vampires, leaving a possible 4.

I had to read that about 3-4 times before it finally clicked that I only got two hours sleep today and aren't making sense. Fuuuck.
So we're at 1-4 vampires. 3 wolves. You and the remainder innocents totaling 9. So I really could be the last innocent, and I've got 1-3 allies.

No. This is ridiculous, I'm overthinking it. Envy. Envy, Envy, Envy.

[Friend]

...Look, I've done all I can to help the inno team win. I'm going to have to go out on a limb and assume you're innocent and leave this up to you. If you honestly think that killing Envy is a good idea, then I'm not going to hold you back anymore. I'll use my hammertime in case you want to change your mind, though.

[Bongo Bill]

With the deployment of that Hammertime, the day has been postponed anouther 24 hours. Approximately. I'm tired; I'll give you a countdown when it's getting closer.

Current vote tallies:
Defenestration: 3
gahitsu: 3
Envy: 2
Kayma: 1