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[Bongo Bill]

Kayma dies! He was a werewolf with a used Fog Machine, a used Shovel, a used Almost Undetectable Poison, and a brand new unused Lightsaber.

Classic dies! He was a turned ninja with a Scry-Sucking Crystal Ball.

All votes issued prior to this post are reset! There are now only 6 players alive, meaning it takes 4 votes to kill!

Defenestration
dtsund
Envy
Friend
LaserBeing
Stush

[Defenestration]

Good job working him into a corner, Stush and Laser. Good fucking job. Obviously his only option would be to kill before he would be killed after you out him like that. I tried to hint this to you without overtly saying it if the vampires were too dense to come up with this idea themselves. And now we're out a lightsaber. A wolf with a lightsaber, sure, but his sure next act would be to off Friend, who helps *everybody*. In fact, I wonder if you brought that suspicion upon him to get some credibility for yourself to feign ignorance afterwards. After all you role claimed and were confirmed as the PI, the scry that always works, 3 nights ago. An incredibly powerful role. The *actual* vampires probably turned you immediately. They certainly didn't not try the two nights afterwards.

With only one wolf left, we should focus on the stronger faction, vampires. *Or* the weretiger since he's an obstacle to innocent victory as well but since all of you are still taking Friend's bullshit wholesale, let's go for Stush.

[Friend]

I think it's hilarious that you think anyone would possibly believe you're not Olrox.

[LaserBeing]

yeah, killing a vampire and a wolf in one fell swoop was a terrible outcome and I deeply apologise for my part in it

[Defenestration]

yeah, killing a vampire and a wolf in one fell swoop was a terrible outcome and I deeply apologise for my part in it

And killing the holder of a lightsaber whose next immediate goal would be to use it on Friend after Classic was lynched is not a bad outcome how?

I mean, shit, I admit I'm not certain that Stush is turned. I have literally no gold left. But I can't see *how he is not.* Also if you want to kill the weretiger right now, let me know, I'll jump on that bandwagon like nobody's business.

[Stush]

You say killing the weretiger would help everyone, and that we should focus on the vampires. And then you turn around and say we should get rid of me? The person who just cleared out a vampire and a werewolf by doing nothing but stating a fact.

We know friend is a badguy, I'm not following his advice any more than you are, Hell, i'm the one who outed him, if you don't remember. If it wasn't for me, you might not even know that he's the weretiger until you had wiped out most of the innocents and then BAM, Friend gets all the moolah.

I want to clear out a vampire, If we can get rid of Olrox, Then there's no threat of vampire turns, they can't increase their numbers, we can whittle them down slowly, we can take out Friend, and the innocents can win this game.

You're just the top suspect on my list, sorry to say.

[Friend]

A wolf with a lightsaber, sure, but his sure next act would be to off Friend, who helps *everybody*.

Actually, the moment Stush claimed that Classic was turned, Kayma really had no other option but to saber Classic. Especially considering if he killed me, all Classic would have to do is kill him to win.

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And killing the holder of a lightsaber whose next immediate goal would be to use it on Friend after Classic was lynched is not a bad outcome how?

How would Kayma use the lightsaber after Classic had been lynched? The Lightsaber is a day item, if I'm not mistaken.

I mean, shit, I admit I'm not certain that Stush is turned. I have literally no gold left. But I can't see *how he is not.*

You can certainly see how he is *not* turned, you simply choose not to see.

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Quit posting while I'm typing goddamnit

[Bongo Bill]

The lightsaber is used during the day, and in this version of the rules it can only kill one person ever.

[LaserBeing]

Also if my understanding of the rules is correct, although he wins with the wolves, the devil counts as a human numerically. So that means killing Friend not only removes the block to vampire or wolf victory, but also decreases the human count by one. So yeah, I just bet you'd love to see that happen, Defenestration...

 

[Bongo Bill]

The devil counts toward human victory unless turned, yes.

[LaserBeing]

[00:37] <Lee-Ham> so... I'm still cleaning grave dirt out of my ears but uh, Defenestration is 100% a badguy, right?
[00:38] <Defenestration> Don't give into this bullshit, Laser.
[00:38] <+BongoBill> I know the answer, but I'm not telling.
[00:38] <Lee-Ham> hey all I can see is that we're down to the wire and you're telling us to kill the PI because it's so obvious that he's probably turned
[00:39] <Defenestration> For one, I've never been scried. Or at least, noone has said they scried me. For two, we know Envy is the last wolf. Lottel was a turned oracle that was lynched before, and he outed Kayma and Envy as wolves.
[00:40] <+BongoBill> Incidentally, since you're having this conversation here, it will not be necessary for you to send me a log.
[00:40] <Defenestration> :V
[00:40] <Lee-Ham> do we know how many vamps are left? how many wolves?
[00:41] <Defenestration> There has to be one wolf if you do the math, and that wolf is probably Envy. I see no reason that Lottel would have lied about that in context.
[00:41] <Defenestration> We can kill Envy if you want. I'm for that. WE don't know about any vampires, other than this suspicion on myself.
[00:41] <Defenestration> I mean, have I been scried? Noone told me anything.
[00:43] <Lee-Ham> if there WERE any vampires though, killing the last wolf would be really great for them, especially if they then nightkilled the weretiger devil aka the human seer
[00:43] <Stush> I don't really like doing this stuff in here, it denies the other players a chance to see it.
[00:43] <Defenestration> Then paste it to the thread after we're done Stush, don't be dumb
[00:44] <Lee-Ham> that's what logs are for, Stooshers!
[00:44] <Defenestration> <3 Stush (vampire)

[Kayma]

That was a refreshing night's sleep. Time to saber the donuts!

I kil


...well shit.

[Envy]

I have no doubt one of the vamps have the bomb. I'm gonna have to go with defenestration and hope for the best.

[Friend]

I'm about 80% sure that Defenestration has the bomb, but I doubt you all are willing to vote for dtsund, so. Defenestration it is.

[dtsund]

Guys, we need to kill Friend today in order to have a chance at winning.

I mean, think about it, dammit.  If Defenestration is the only bad guy left and we off him right now, Friend wins outright and we don't.

If there's more than one bad guy left and we off him right now, we'll go into tomorrow with four people left and Friend still alive, at which we lose no matter who we lynch.  And if you think the bad guys here aren't willing to play that kind of brinksmanship game, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

As I see it, there are four realistic scenarios to consider here.

1: We have one vampire (Defenestration) and one weretiger (Friend).  Covered this one above; we cannot lynch Defenestration today.

2: We have two vampires (Defenestration and someone else) and one weretiger (Friend).  I really hope this isn't the case, because if it is, we're kinda screwed no matter what; killing one of the vamps still leaves us with the choice between letting the vamps win and letting Friend win.  Even if we kill the Master Vampire, the remaining one could kill Friend, but would probably prefer to put the town in an unwinnable situation he can exploit than let someone with a scry figure out who he is and get him lynched.  The less-bad choice here is to kill Friend and hope to get converted to the winning team, which still isn't very good, but a 1/3 chance of winning is better than no chance at all.

I regard 3 and 4 as more likely, since I suspect we still have a werewolf:

3: We have one vampire (Defenestration), one werewolf (Envy), and one weretiger (Friend).  If we kill Defenestration, Envy really has no reason to kill Friend for us; we'll just turn around and lynch him for the win.  A better play for him is to kill someone else, so we have the choice between letting Friend win and letting Envy win.  Do you want this?  Because I sure as hell don't.

4: We have two vampires (Defenestration and someone else*), one werewolf (Envy), and one weretiger (Friend).  If we kill Defenestration, we're still screwed.  Envy, for reasons stated above, won't be killing Friend for us.  The other Vampire might, but if Envy gets to him first, we're in the Envy-wins-or-Friend-does scenario, and if he doesn't and kills an inno instead, it's Envy-wins-or-the-other-Vampre-does.

We have no choice but to kill Friend today.

*Would have to be Stush in this case.

[Friend]

Okay, I'm on my phone here so I can't fully address this, but I'll summarize:  we're in option 4,  and we have to kill me. Why? Because if you don't lynch me I can possibly win, and the innocents can't win. So let's assume you lynch me. Then what? 2 vampires, 2 humans, 1 werewolf. 2 night kills. The only possible scenario where you can potentially win is if the vampires decide to kill Envy or Envy accidentally kills the master vampire. Now, there's no way in hell the vampires are going to kill Envy. Envy, on the other hand, might kill an innocent. Honestly, that guy is inscrutable to me. 


But honestly this point is irrelevant since defenestration has the bomb. He just wants to save his hide so he and dtsund can win this game.

[Stush]

One of the remaining vampires is olrox, who can make more vampires, if i'm not mistaken. Wouldn't that make taking him out be the biggest priority? If we don't, we're gonna lose a war of attrition, because he'll just replenish each night.

The only way I can see it working is to hopefully take out the vampire today, then Friend tomorrow, and then the werewolf on the day after that.

It's the only way I can see us winning. If we leave the vampire alive, we're gonna lose, he'll turn one of us into a vampire.

The plan has a slim chance, but it's the only one I can see working.

Also, I didn't realise that the thief's glove was already used, that's why I kept quiet about this. I Have the bomb. I picked it up so the bads wouldn't have access to it. Don't worry about the bomb, I took it out of the equation.

If we just stick to this plan, we can win! All we need to do is take out [Hopefully] three badguys.

[Defenestration]

HOW can we win, Stush? Look at it mathematically and not just the short term. You lynch me, and any hope for a town victory goes up in smoke. Why? Here's why. Because you've still all left Friend alive instead of killing him with a lynch the moment he was revealed as the weretiger like well. Anyone *sensible* would have, here's the state of the game. You lynch me. Friend and Envy are still in the game, with 3 others. Envy kills one that night. This leaves Friend, Envy, and 2 others in the same game. Friend is lynched then, and Envy night kills, leaving him and one other. This means, guess what? A wolf victory, vampires or no. For Envy. Do you REALLY want to enable that? *Again?*

Stop looking at just the short term. If you want an innocent victory, our only hope is to lynch Friend and now.

[LaserBeing]

eh. fuck vampires

Defenestration.

Go team weretiger!

Young Frankenstein- Putting on the Ritz.

[Stush]

"Anyone sensible would have lynched the weretiger"

You didn't lynch the weretiger, therefore, your advice is non-sensible.

I'm sorry, Defen, but unless you can prove to me that you're not olrox, I can't think of any other choice. You'll just make more vampires if you are, and then we're extra-screwed.