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The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« on: July 19, 2012, 02:06:29 PM »

This is a thread for Dark Knight Rises spoilers.

Please keep your Dark Knight Rises spoilers in this thread and not the several other threads about Batman.

Thanks!
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 07:47:53 PM »

SNAPE KILLS ROBIN
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2012, 02:07:14 AM »

several other threads about Batman.

You should fix this.

BUT HEY, HERE'S MY SPOILER FREE REVIEW:

it's really good. really really good. go see it.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2012, 01:43:40 PM »

Did anyone else feel the Talia reveal was super obvious from the introduction of her character?

Also, I know Nolan indicated that he wanted to just do a trilogy, but the ending of Rises seemed to set us up for sequel territory. Where do you guys think we're going to go with this series next?
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2012, 02:03:29 PM »

Nolan won't be doing it, but if you think WB is going to let that get in the way of the money train.. Well..
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 02:27:35 PM »

Did anyone else feel the Talia reveal was super obvious from the introduction of her character?

Also, I know Nolan indicated that he wanted to just do a trilogy, but the ending of Rises seemed to set us up for sequel territory. Where do you guys think we're going to go with this series next?

Introduction?  Try casting.  Nolan's had a really, really bad time of not making it cripplingly obvious when casting an al Ghul.

The series will be rebooted next, to make way for a Justice League film.  honk honk.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 09:50:41 PM »

The biggest problem with this movie is that there's no room left in the timeline for a Riddler movie.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2012, 06:03:12 PM »

Detective Blake's real name was a little TOO much of a wink, methinks.

Anyway, while the ending left things open, I sincerely doubt WB is going to have a big-screen Batman that isn't Bruce Wayne. Like Niku said, look for the series to rebooted yet again within a couple of years, sooner or later depending on how well Man of Steel performs.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2012, 10:17:40 PM »

Did anyone else feel the Talia reveal was super obvious from the introduction of her character?

I caught on pretty much immediately and then the otherwise pointless clue drop that she was poor originally hammered it home. But I don't think it was "super obvious". For one thing, I heard in an early rumour back when they were still casting the movie that Talia was going to be in it. So as soon as this foreign sounding woman came on screen who acted like she had the hots for bats and then we learned unnecessary details about her for some no-name character it all clicked for me. However, I don't know if I would have been so fast to be like "TALIA, THAT'S TOTALLY TALIA" in my head without that rumour also bouncing around in there.

BUT

even with that said, Nolan really smartly kept her low profile and threw a bunch of exciting things in your face right before her reveal with the knife to the point that I actually forgot about her until she stabbed him. So amazingly, even knowing it was her, he still suprised me with the reveal. Then on top, he made it sort of a double reveal with the whole "she was the child in the prison, not Bain" thing and that made it even cooler even though I saw her being that character coming.

I guess I just wasn't really thinking about it enough during the movie to put it all together "Oh right, child of Ra's, that's not Bain, that's Talia". But then in my defense again, he keeps her really out of sight a lot and doesn't dangle her around much and also, I really had no idea what he was keeping "accurate to the comics" and what he was changing. There was really no reason for me to doubt that he would just write Bain in as Ra's kid. I mean why not? He changed the location and nature of his prison to fit the movie better, why not change his father too?
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2012, 10:36:16 PM »

This movie was really cool. It didn't have the amazing Joker performance of the Dark Knight to make it SPELLBOUNDING like that movie, but the cleverness of the writing and enrapturing quality of the constant motion of the plot is very similar to that of the Dark Knight. Everything amazed and delighted me except for a handful of tiny sour grapes.

  • The doomsday device was a little lame for me. I mean come on, it even had a big cartoon timer on it for fuck's sake
  • My real name IS ROBIN.................... What? Come on you can do better than that man, that's pretty fucking weak.
  • I can't, there's no auto pilot... I mean, there is... PSYCHE! Thinking back on this, I get it; he needed Gotham to think he was dead so he could actually retire. But at the time I was like "...What was the point of that?"
  • Batman and Bane fighting always looked pretty awesome without ever being over the top or anything... but why was the fight coreography and just general in fight acting of Bane's goons so bad in a lot of spots? When Batman saves Robin from the guys that are going to shoot him, they seriously wait their turn and fight him one at a time all fake looking and Batman never takes any of them down in a convincing fashion in my opinion. Later the cops attack a guy on the back of a technical and he literally just stands there, both emotionless and unmoving like he's a dummy or something while they jump on the truck and kick him away from his machine gun. Throughout the whole movie a lot of them just never showed any emotion like they were fighting or anything pretty much just look like they are waiting to get punched or kneed or whatever. It was a little distracting. Thankfully there's not that many fist fights really and Batman fighting Bane is actually well acted by both of them, but like Christ, could you hire ACTORS to play the goons next time and not like I dunno, Mexican day labourers.

Anyway, Robin was cool and so was Catwoman. Also it took watching the movie for me to understand why Catwoman was even in it which was a big worrying mystery to me going in. The Batman needed a few new allies in order to believably stop Talia's revenge. Him and Gordon without even Dent to help them just weren't going to cut it this time. Having Robin around was handy, but you can't have an established Robin around out of nowhere with no arc creating him first and proto Robin can't help enough, he can't fight a whole bunch of guys and beat them believably. You need a costume to do that. So you need an other traditional ally of the Batman who can come in pre-established without having to know Batman already in order to exist. Catwoman is really the only option.

I'm glad they never called her Catwoman, her heels and her goggle ears were a BIT much. I wish they had stopped at her wearing a cat outfit at the charity ball, that would have been classier but whatever. I mean, I guess the Joker did have his makeup and his suit but like I dunno. The ears felt a little bit like if Two-face had worn a tailored split pattern suit to me. At least they stopped before she had a whip. I never thought I'd be thankful for that...

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 05:27:19 PM »

Incredible movie the only flaws were that one of the preview trailers was for another Superman movie without showing a villain I'd care about and that the first act is a little dull but necessary in a good way, you're glued to your seat the second Batman fights Bane in the sewers.. It's funny how between this and the Avengers that comic movies are reminding everybody how the fuck good cinematography should work.

This movie was really cool. It didn't have the amazing Joker performance of the Dark Knight to make it SPELLBOUNDING like that movie, but the cleverness of the writing and enrapturing quality of the constant motion of the plot is very similar to that of the Dark Knight. Everything amazed and delighted me except for a handful of tiny sour grapes.

I don't really want to get into a slap-fight about what makes the best Joker(Heath was great but I don't buy into THE BEST EVER because I'm so gay for the Batman cartoons it is unreal) but if the Bane guy couldn't top Heath's Joker then he at least equaled it or pulled a tight second place. A lot of things that might otherwise be hackneyed or annoying were done really well(the altered voice, the pauses when speaking, the no-nonsense hyper-efficiency Bane is known for, the subtle berserking effect when his mask was damaged.) I was delighted every time the villain was on screen which is basically the Villain Litmus Test. The best part of the movie for me was both Batman vs Bane fights.

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The doomsday device was a little lame for me. I mean come on, it even had a big cartoon timer on it for fuck's sake

Plots gotta plot but it did stick out like a sore thumb in the first act when they mention "investing half your fortune in a hope for humanity and mothballing it" and all that shit. It also rang really fucking hollow when surprise, the second Wayne lets somebody see the reactor it's stolen to be used as a nuke just as he feared. But comics.

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My real name IS ROBIN.................... What? Come on you can do better than that man, that's pretty fucking weak.

It wasn't perfect but I give a lot of respect for not revealing that until the epilogue of a three hour movie.

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I can't, there's no auto pilot... I mean, there is... PSYCHE! Thinking back on this, I get it; he needed Gotham to think he was dead so he could actually retire. But at the time I was like "...What was the point of that?"

Also stuck out but forgivable if we give benefit of the doubt. Course Bruce couldn't code the auto-pilot, he got thrown in super jail.

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Batman and Bane fighting always looked pretty awesome without ever being over the top or anything... but why was the fight coreography and just general in fight acting of Bane's goons so bad in a lot of spots? When Batman saves Robin from the guys that are going to shoot him, they seriously wait their turn and fight him one at a time all fake looking and Batman never takes any of them down in a convincing fashion in my opinion. Later the cops attack a guy on the back of a technical and he literally just stands there, both emotionless and unmoving like he's a dummy or something while they jump on the truck and kick him away from his machine gun. Throughout the whole movie a lot of them just never showed any emotion like they were fighting or anything pretty much just look like they are waiting to get punched or kneed or whatever. It was a little distracting. Thankfully there's not that many fist fights really and Batman fighting Bane is actually well acted by both of them, but like Christ, could you hire ACTORS to play the goons next time and not like I dunno, Mexican day labourers.

AHAHAHAHAHA I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt this way. I know that Batman fails the reality test really hard if anybody trained with a firearm actually points and shoots at him with anything resembling accuracy but I was really hoping they'd cover that up either Arkham style(intense combat, but I guess that'd ruin this series' style) or like, Sherlock Holmes style(disable the shit that kills you before you fight them goons.) Batman really didn't use many gadgets this movie compared to vehicles, maybe they were aware of this when that goofy rookie cop shoots Batman's electrode gun before he can really use it.

You could also use the Cop Rush at the end as an example. You have 1,000 convicts with assault rifles firing at a crowd and they're hitting the ground in front of them? Sorry dudes but with that many bullet hoses you'd end up with 3,000 dead cops. Maybe the guys in back get to melee if all the convicts have to reload at the same time. It's all forgivable but silly.

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I'm glad they never called her Catwoman, her heels and her goggle ears were a BIT much. I wish they had stopped at her wearing a cat outfit at the charity ball, that would have been classier but whatever. I mean, I guess the Joker did have his makeup and his suit but like I dunno. The ears felt a little bit like if Two-face had worn a tailored split pattern suit to me. At least they stopped before she had a whip. I never thought I'd be thankful for that...

The goggles were subtle compared to basically everything costume wise that could have gone wrong, especially since the villain was flippin' Bane.

I really liked that Selina shows up with Bruce at the table at the end but they don't like pan the camera over her face and the pearls around her neck and shit.

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Talia

The accent stuck out but I didn't click it until they mentioned Ghul by name and she slept with Bruce because the laws of Batman are that Bruce can only bang Selina or Talia and that lady wasn't Selina. I think Talia was well done and well hidden in that there are plenty of nods to the fans but enough to keep casual fans and movie-goers from immediately seeing it. It's also part of the nicely done backstory for this universe's Bane, Ghul and Talia.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2012, 06:45:50 PM »

I don't read the comics and I didn't watch Batman Begins but I figured the woman was evil just because she seemed evil. Unfortunately I missed a lot of Bane's lines because I have problems understanding anything that isn't crystal clear without subtitles. I did like his  voice though and the lines that I did catch were effective.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2012, 07:43:25 PM »

His voice reminded me a lot of Gold Finger for some reason. The accent is sort of different, but it's a similar voice. You know, just muffled by a crazy pain killer mask.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 11:51:07 PM »

The second Bane fight got to be decent towards the end but I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. If I wanted to see two dudes throw one haymaker per two seconds I'd go to some amateur night at a casino.

Movie overall was super enjoyable, though.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2012, 04:52:05 AM »

Wow, I feel like a complete idiot for not making the obvious connection that the prison where people are reborn is called the Pit.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 11:14:36 AM »

The second Bane fight got to be decent towards the end but I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. If I wanted to see two dudes throw one haymaker per two seconds I'd go to some amateur night at a casino.

Movie overall was super enjoyable, though.

My standards for comic book movies tend to be a bit lower and/or Batman vs Bane stood out as good compared to the incredibly sloppy mook fights.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2012, 03:21:13 PM »

I knew the lady was suspicious as soon as she got it on with Bruce before the movie's halfway point, but I didn't quite nail it until the twist.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2012, 03:28:42 PM »

I knew the lady was suspicious as soon as she got it on with Bruce before the movie's halfway point, but unlike Bruce I didn't quite nail it until the twist.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2012, 03:31:58 PM »

Also, if you're in charge of half the exposition of the movie, maybe you shouldn't have the voice of the Grand Galactic Inquisitor.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Thread
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2012, 04:08:42 PM »

Why y'all hatin on Hardy's voice?
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