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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2008, 06:47:41 PM »

Obama reads his own blog? That's a little. uh. Goofy.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #121 on: August 19, 2008, 07:03:06 PM »

Maybe he reads the comments; it'd fit an "I answer to you" theme.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #122 on: August 21, 2008, 12:12:50 AM »

There's apparently some hay being made of a new poll showing McCain leading Obama.

It bears noting that it is a Zogby poll, and Zogby is notoriously unreliable.

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Georgia Primary

Zogby: 48% Obama 28% Clinton
Reality: 66% Obama 31% Clinton

New Jersey Primary

Zogby: 43% Clinton 42% Obama
Reality: Clinton 53% Obama 43%

California Primary

Zogby: Clinton 41% Obama 45%
Reality: Clinton 52% Obama 45%

Not to say Obama should get complacent -- but not to say he should freak out over the polls and do a bunch of stupid shit like sell us out on domestic spying, either.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #123 on: August 21, 2008, 08:56:35 AM »

McCain: I don't know how many houses I own.
'Bama: You own seven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo

Incredible response time on this one. Only three hours from gaffe to advert.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #124 on: August 21, 2008, 09:05:06 AM »

JOHN McCAIN

DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A SHIITE IS
DOESN'T KNOW WHAT NET NEUTRALITY IS
DOESN'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES HE HAS

BELIEVES IN AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM WHERE STRENGTHENING THE UPPER CLASS EVENTUALLY BENEFITS THE LOWER

JOHN McCAIN: LET'S GO OUT FOR A BURGER IN 2008!  HA HA HA!
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #125 on: August 21, 2008, 09:13:52 AM »

When Regulation Is Warranted, John McCain Acts. John McCain does not believe in prescriptive regulation like “net-neutrality,” but rather he believes that an open marketplace with a variety of consumer choices is the best deterrent against unfair practices. John McCain has always believed the government’s role must be rooted in protecting consumers.
:derp:

I'd buy McCain's hats.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #126 on: August 21, 2008, 10:15:10 AM »

Well now it's obvious that you'd buy what McCain's actually selling.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #127 on: August 21, 2008, 12:06:09 PM »

McCain: I don't know how many houses I own.
'Bama: You own seven.

Incredible response time on this one. Only three hours from gaffe to advert.

Bob Harris had a pretty solid post last month where he talked about word association.

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Right this minute, psychology professor Drew Weston is discussing how to communicate progressive values (which the majority of the public shares on an overwhelming number of issues) by "shaping and activiating neural networks" in voters. It's sound science married to basic neurology — which is to say, really just good basic marketing — but it's also something the left is still learning.

Here: look at these six words:

Ocean moon glasses chair faith floor.

Now, name a laundry detergent at random. What's the first detergent that comes to mind?

Tide, probably, simply because of the preset association with "ocean and moon," etc. (Readers of Prisoner of Trebekistan will recognize this from the memory techniques I learned for Jeopardy.)

Simple, powerful, and (sadly for us all) poorly understood by lefties. Weston is now illustrating how the GOP has brilliantly done this for years, turning the positive word "liberal" into "latte-drinking, Volvo-driving, anti-American," etc. (Also probably the root of the impulse to call 300 activists meeting privately "elitist.")

And now Weston is now moving into how concise conservative messaging is, contrasting it with the muddled, unfocused messaging of progressives. (Using the word "progressive" now because the word "liberal" has been soiled in such an Orwellian fashion.) If you've read George Lakoff, this is nothing new, but it's stuff that every successful activist absolutely needs to understand.

And now he's demonstrating some specific reframes. On national security, for example, the proper frame isn't specific policy arguments, since they can't address either the underlying emotions or principles. The proper frame: "if we detain people without hearings, wiretap our own ciizens, and torture people on mere suspicions, the terrorists have won, because we have given up everything our country has stood for."

I hate that so much of our democratic process comes down to 30-second commercials, that there's so much overlap between picking the President and choosing a brand of paper towels.  But pretending that's not the case isn't going to do anyone any good (Kerry reference goes here).

They're trying to paint Obama as an elitist because he went on a vacation to Hawaii, while THEIR guy doesn't remember how many houses he owns.

You want to win over the blue-collar voters, the ones worried about their jobs and the economy?  Remind them who's the self-made man and who's the guy who married an heiress and owns 7 houses.

The best part, via TPM:

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"This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years -- in prison," spokesman Brian Rogers told the Washington Post.

For those of you who haven't kept track, the McCain campaign just recently cited McCain's POW years in explaining away the Miss Buffalo Chip gaffe, and in dealing with the allegation that he broke the rules and listened in on Barack Obama during the Rick Warren forum.

Hm -- responding to every single criticism with the same non sequitur?

Let's ask President Giuliani how well that strategy works.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #128 on: August 21, 2008, 12:14:51 PM »

I hate this.  I had a lot of respect for McCain, before he went and ran for President.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #129 on: August 21, 2008, 12:57:17 PM »

They're trying to paint Obama as an elitist because he went on a vacation to Hawaii, while THEIR guy doesn't remember how many houses he owns.

There are a few fucktons of dickholes running around today trying their damnedest to parse 'wealthy' apart from 'elitist'. Funny how those two go together like white on rice.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #130 on: August 21, 2008, 01:07:01 PM »

There are a few fucktons of dickholes running around today trying their damnedest to parse 'wealthy' apart from 'elitist'.

No, that's actually totally fair.

"Wealthy" is when you own seven houses.

"Elitist" is when you don't know how many houses you own.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #131 on: August 21, 2008, 01:11:54 PM »

"Senile" might be another way to describe it.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #132 on: August 21, 2008, 01:15:05 PM »

For a moment there I pictured McCain as Doc Brown.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #133 on: August 21, 2008, 02:23:38 PM »

I think Lyrai's onto something here.

Doesn't know what a Shi'ite is: Check. "They've found me, Marty! The Libyans!"
Doesn't know what net neutrality is: Check. "What's that, some sort of giant spider from the future?"
Doesn't know how many houses he has: Check. "It's how a matter of how much, Marty, it's a matter of when!"
Let's go out for a burger in 2008: Check. Or 2088, or 1988. "Ronald Reagan? The actor?"
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #134 on: August 22, 2008, 11:06:52 AM »

Obama: SEVEEEEEN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZdi1JnMxFU

Actually, McCain owns twelve properties. He seems to collect them, maybe at times for political expedience.

The important thing to remember is that Obama owns a frickin' Mansion:

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"We're delighted to have a real estate debate with Barack Obama," said spokesman Brian Rogers, adding that the press should focus on Obama's house. "It's a frickin' mansion.

The frickin' mansion:



Take away the porch and fence, and you have yourself a Frat. Meanwhile:

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Politico - The McCains increased their budget for household employees from $184,000 in 2006 to $273,000 in 2007, according to John McCain’s tax returns.
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LA Times - A nine-car motorcade took him to a nearby Starbucks early in the morning, where he ordered a large cappuccino.

:derp: Just like one of us.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2008, 11:49:58 AM »

Actually, McCain owns twelve properties. He seems to collect them, maybe at times for political expedience.

Holy shit I just realized how much he looks like Uncle Moneybags.

Somebody shop him.  I'd do it myself but I'm supposed to be working right now.

EDIT: Okay, Pennybags.  Thanks Google.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #136 on: August 22, 2008, 11:58:14 AM »

And I suppose Obama could be likened to uncle tennis-ball-sock?
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #137 on: August 22, 2008, 11:58:56 AM »



Christian Science Monitor beat us to the punch by a day.

And kos has been running this today too:

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #138 on: August 22, 2008, 12:01:14 PM »

And I suppose Obama could be likened to uncle tennis-ball-sock?

That could only work in his favor.

"Economic recession?  WHAP!  Obama don't play dat!"

I'm Barack Obama and I approve of this message.  Cause I play dat.

Christian Science Monitor beat us to the punch by a day.

I'd say I'm disappointed, but man that is the perfect place for that visual association to start.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #139 on: August 22, 2008, 12:26:47 PM »

Holy shit I just realized how much he looks like Uncle Moneybags.

See, the "frickin' mansion" line, even though McCain himself didn't say it, has me picturing Dr. Evil.
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