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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #380 on: October 14, 2008, 09:29:30 PM »

In the past two pages of this thread there have been exactly two references to race:

You know, that's really fucking irritating. Yes, I exaggerated. Thank you for proving that exaggeration wrong. I thank you for your astuteness.

You're welcome?

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Obama pals around with terrorists and doesn't see America the same way we do

is != "Thinks black people are a problem/Uses race to gain ground in the election."

Yes. Because everything politicians say and do is isolated in a vacuum and bears no manner of subtext whatsoever. That one old woman just happened to come to the utterly random conclusion that Barack Obama is an Arab all on her lonesome.

I have no response to this. I asked for evidence and you're throwing me rhetoric.

And in another reference to race, Iron Mongrel posted a video of P. Diddy declaring that there are no black people in Alaska. It sounds like P. Diddy believes race IS an important factor in politics.

... and P. Diddy is important to the discussion because... ?

He's the only person on the last few pages who mentioned race. And he's pro-Obama.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #381 on: October 14, 2008, 11:49:42 PM »

Guild, why does McCain's campaign keep calling his opponent "Barack Hussein Obama"? Obama is not running under that name. By highlighting Obama's middle name McCain might as well be saying, "He may make some good points, but look how goddamn brown he is."

There are millions of people--millions of voters--that are terrified at the notion of having a non-white president. McCain's co-opting of that fear makes him and his campaign racist in every way that matters.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #382 on: October 15, 2008, 10:44:05 AM »

Something to note; Mccain does not say the BHO line, nor does he seem to promote it. at least, that's the facade he's giving. But the impression I get pretty distinctly is that he's deliberately directing the anger of his constituents in that direction. When he waves his arms around and corrects someone he looks like a hero to the media, but he never actively discourages any pundits or members of his own staff from using the slurs, for that matter.

The mood at his rallies lately has been murderous, as has been discussed over and over again; And the prevailing air is race. If Mccain really cared about this, he would spend a little more time than a quick media photop, admonishing a supporter while smiling to the cameras, and actually address this issue more thoroughly. Even going so far as to tell people that if this is the way they want to show their support for him, that he does not want it anymore. That's what the old John McCain would have done. But the new John McCain is a puppet of the GOP; He's been this way for four years, clutching to his party out of, what I'm guessing, is a fear of change, without recognizing or admitting that the party he is in today is not the party he joined forty or so years ago. Either that, or he wants the nation's highest seat so badly that he's willing to do anything and sacrifice anything and pay any price - even his own integrity, dignity, and good name - to reach that seat.

He should have run with Kerry in '04. It might have been another four years, but he could have slam dunked the presidency no matter what party he ran for.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #383 on: October 15, 2008, 12:56:05 PM »

Thank you, Shinra. I also have never heard the word "Hussein" drop from McCain's lips. His campaign organization is an animal that will die when he's elected.

And I'd also like to point out that a difference that makes no difference is no difference in regards to whether McCain's "avoiding" using BHO for political or ethical reasons. Stop demonizing the man.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #384 on: October 15, 2008, 01:45:23 PM »

This line of arguing is leading straight to "McCain has no idea what is being done in his name, even when people are repeating it to his face" you know.

Now that's the ultimate parallel to George W. Bush.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #385 on: October 15, 2008, 01:48:04 PM »

A friend here just said that Obama is going to "remove the military from the equation, leaving us vulnerable to terrorist attacks."

What the hell does that mean?

(btw, permanent ban on discussing politics in the room.  i want to like SOME people here.)
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #386 on: October 15, 2008, 01:50:39 PM »

It means that when he invades Pakistan, he's going to do it by airdropping puppies.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #387 on: October 15, 2008, 01:54:56 PM »

A friend here just said that Obama is going to "remove the military from the equation, leaving us vulnerable to terrorist attacks."

What the hell does that mean?

It means that by not having your military occupying the country you invaded that posed no threat to you, you will be more vulnerable to terrorists from Afghanistan flying airplanes into Disney World.

If you can't see the correlation there, then I'm afraid I just can't help you.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #388 on: October 15, 2008, 04:10:55 PM »

I can, but if you're that interested in crazy right-wing theory, then you'll have to ask.

Instead, I must compliment Obama on his excellent use of grassroots motivation.  Leadership tends to be the art of coaxing people into doing what you want for you.  This is something that Obama has been on his mark about since day one, and considering that he's doing it with in such a decentralized fashion with a considerable army of volunteers - and yet keeps the machine drummed to the same beat is outstanding.  While there are the extremists in their camp, for the most part they are kept silent, marginalized or off to the side.

I bring this up because leadership should be seen as the highest factor in choosing a leader to run the free world's most powerful seat.  Who needs expert knowledge in working the economy when you can have the best advisers swooning and advising to your tune? (granted you have the wisdom to see that they are the experts)

What we have seen is McCain's grassroots and how they seethe in some instances - foam in the mouths and all.  McCain for all his good intentions, and strong performance in the past cannot keep his minions united against Obama with the same message.  Instead he finds himself at odds, almost struggling of hate and irrationality while keeping them in his lines.

I bring this up as right now leadership is at the heart of my nation's political situation.  A Reform-Progressive Conservative Alliance has done a good job of "uniting the right", leaving the NDP, liberals, and Green Party to split a majority's worth of seats.  For some reason, I see the cracks of fragmentation in the GOP and wonder if that might be in the cards should McCain lose..
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #389 on: October 15, 2008, 04:22:33 PM »

Thank you, Shinra. I also have never heard the word "Hussein" drop from McCain's lips. His campaign organization is an animal that will die when he's elected.
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Hey guild, can you take me on your magic pony ride, to the world of sunshine and happiness, where good men let bad men help them get elected and then leave them in the dust once they rise to power? Oh, I only need to smoke this magical herb, and then I, too, can see the way you do? Well, golly, gee! I'll get right on that!
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #390 on: October 15, 2008, 04:30:25 PM »

A friend here just said that Obama is going to "remove the military from the equation, leaving us vulnerable to terrorist attacks."

What the hell does that mean?

It means that you shouldn't talk to that person ever again until they have had the opportunity to be reeducated at my political death camp in the nevada desert.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #391 on: October 15, 2008, 04:57:51 PM »

You mean Las Vegas?

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #392 on: October 15, 2008, 05:02:12 PM »

More like a bunch of trailers out in the middle of nowhere, with armed guards.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #393 on: October 15, 2008, 05:23:54 PM »

More like a bunch of trailers out in the middle of nowhere, with armed guards.

...You mean Las Vegas?
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #394 on: October 15, 2008, 05:37:55 PM »

ALRIGHT SO WHAT IF I DID
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #395 on: October 16, 2008, 12:54:00 AM »

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #396 on: October 16, 2008, 01:32:57 AM »

200,000 voters held up because of 12 possible misregistered names?
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #397 on: October 16, 2008, 09:30:37 AM »

A friend here just said that Obama is going to "remove the military from the equation, leaving us vulnerable to terrorist attacks."

What the hell does that mean?

(btw, permanent ban on discussing politics in the room.  i want to like SOME people here.)

Republican logic would be that since Iraq is a front of the War on Terror, leaving in defeat would embolden the terrorists to attack the U.S.

Another somewhat rational possibility is Obama's lack of enthusiasm for ABM technologies. Democrats are also 'known' to cut military funding historically.

Or maybe it's that Obama's plan to use diplomacy instead of military posturing will destroy us all.

It could be any random talking point considering how vague it is.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #398 on: October 16, 2008, 09:44:52 AM »

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #399 on: October 16, 2008, 09:56:47 AM »

Checked the link and saw this in an ad for the NYT(specifically tmagazine):

"Campaign style | Below the belt"

I'm... I'm a little WTF on this one.

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