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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #600 on: November 24, 2011, 07:54:39 PM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #601 on: December 04, 2011, 07:21:40 PM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #602 on: December 14, 2011, 09:29:25 AM »

No two-parters next year, at least none planned as yet.

I hope that means a trend toward more self-contained episodes, but of course there's a difference between not having two-parters and having self-contained episodes.

I'd like a one-year moratorium on Big Season Arc.  You can have one for the fiftieth anniversary in '13, but I'd like a whole season of just standalone episodes.  Stuff like Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, Midnight, Vincent and the Doctor, The Doctor's Wife.

Hell, I'd even welcome more episodes like The Beast Below and Victory of the Daleks at this point.  (NOTE: I am not actually saying I want to see more Daleks.)
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #603 on: December 29, 2011, 09:36:47 AM »

soooo the reason nobody's posted about the Christmas episode is because it wasn't really very good, right?

I mean, it was okay.  But well below Moffat's usual standards.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #604 on: December 29, 2011, 10:03:09 AM »

I'm waiting for a friend to return from vacation so we can watch it together.  But that's disheartening.  :(
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #605 on: December 29, 2011, 12:13:34 PM »

It wasn't terrible. Not as good as the last one but it was watchable.

I was hoping for more of a Lion, Witch, and a Wardrobe feel.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #606 on: December 29, 2011, 12:32:19 PM »

Yeah, it wasn't really very narnia-ish. My biggest problem was how [spoiler]the doctor somehow had zero problem with repeated sentient tree genocide? Sure this group of trees somehow got lucky and saved, but they're just gonna grow a new batch next year, and then fucking acid rain melt them. But no the doctor needs to go have christmas dinner.[/spoiler]
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #607 on: December 31, 2011, 09:19:30 PM »

Yeah, it was pretty treacley and daft, but that's exactly the same as saying "it was a Doctor Who Christmas special."
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #608 on: January 01, 2012, 12:51:20 AM »

I enjoyed it for what it was, which is what you said there. I enjoyed that it had fewer plot holes that the Christmas Carol from last year (Why can't the doctor just evacuate everyone on on the Tardis, or tow it to safety like he did the ENTIRE PLANET EARTH). I ate warm pumpkin pie and watched The Doctor try to make kids happy. Mission accomplished.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #609 on: January 03, 2012, 07:29:10 AM »

I thought last year's hung together better.  And also, flying shark.

So no, not bad, but...yeah, "treacley and daft" is about right.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #610 on: February 10, 2012, 06:58:39 AM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #611 on: March 11, 2012, 05:23:32 PM »

Season Six is finally on Netflix (or maybe it's been there for a while and I just now noticed) so I finally watched it!

Couple of thoughts:

They still haven't addressed why the Silence want to build a TARDIS. They say they just want to kill The Doctor because he's dangerous, but if someone were trying to make their own TARDIS, bumping off the last of the Time Lords would probably be a smart move.

Speaking of the Silence, I don't believe anyone's mentioned this in this thread, but it's pretty clear that they're supposed to be the basis for the Men in Black stories, right?

Also, in The God Complex, the gambler dude was wearing a horseshoe tie-pin, and a horseshoe is basically just an upside-down Omega symbol.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #612 on: March 12, 2012, 09:19:54 AM »

They still haven't addressed why the Silence want to build a TARDIS. They say they just want to kill The Doctor because he's dangerous, but if someone were trying to make their own TARDIS, bumping off the last of the Time Lords would probably be a smart move.

Or vice-versa.  Do they want to take out the Doctor so no one will interfere with their getting a TARDIS, or do they want to build a TARDIS so they can more easily take out the Doctor?

I imagine both goals are somewhat complementary.  They want the Doctor dead not just because he's generally dangerous but because he's dangerous to them in particular -- if he survives, Silence Will Fall.  And they want a TARDIS because -- well, we don't know for sure, but c'mon, EVERYBODY wants a TARDIS.  You don't really need a reason.

Speaking of the Silence, I don't believe anyone's mentioned this in this thread, but it's pretty clear that they're supposed to be the basis for the Men in Black stories, right?

Well, the entire history of Doctor Who is full of aliens and government coverups, at least on back to Troughton.  The Silence are just one more entry in a long tradition.  (I still love the idea that those 17 missing minutes in the Nixon tapes aren't actually missing, though.)

Also, in The God Complex, the gambler dude was wearing a horseshoe tie-pin, and a horseshoe is basically just an upside-down Omega symbol.

Ha -- nice catch.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #613 on: March 12, 2012, 12:18:25 PM »

They still haven't addressed why the Silence want to build a TARDIS. They say they just want to kill The Doctor because he's dangerous, but if someone were trying to make their own TARDIS, bumping off the last of the Time Lords would probably be a smart move.

Or vice-versa.  Do they want to take out the Doctor so no one will interfere with their getting a TARDIS, or do they want to build a TARDIS so they can more easily take out the Doctor?

I imagine both goals are somewhat complementary.  They want the Doctor dead not just because he's generally dangerous but because he's dangerous to them in particular -- if he survives, Silence Will Fall.  And they want a TARDIS because -- well, we don't know for sure, but c'mon, EVERYBODY wants a TARDIS.  You don't really need a reason.


The question then is, if they're going to kill The Doctor, why not just take his TARDIS? This could have something to do with the TARDIS blowing up last season; perhaps the Silence tried to steal the TARDIS, but something went awry and it blew up, so they decided trying to make their own would be a safer option.

Speaking of the Silence, I don't believe anyone's mentioned this in this thread, but it's pretty clear that they're supposed to be the basis for the Men in Black stories, right?

Well, the entire history of Doctor Who is full of aliens and government coverups, at least on back to Troughton.  The Silence are just one more entry in a long tradition.  (I still love the idea that those 17 missing minutes in the Nixon tapes aren't actually missing, though.)

Well, the reason I went with MIBs is because, aside from the obvious(the fact that they all "dress" like MIBs), there's also the whole memory filter thing, which fits in pretty well with the MIB mythos: anyone who's ever seen them doesn't remember the experience, not because of red light flashy thingies, but because of whatever the Silence do to edit themselves out of their memory. It might not be perfect, though, and over time, perhaps enough invididuals had vague recollections of identical, shadowy figures in black suits that the MIB myth sprang from there.

I suppose it is possible that The Silence patterned themselves after the MIB myth, in order to insure themselves against failure of the memory editing thing. If someone DID manage to recall an encounter with them, and all they could say was that they saw a dude in a black suit, they'd just be dismissed as another crackpot conspiracy theorist.

Or it could be both, timey-wimey stuff and all that.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #614 on: March 12, 2012, 01:11:34 PM »

Which is why in the year five billion or whenever people are often still wearing pretty typical 19th-20th century suits. They're just picking up the idea from impossible-to-remember aliens without realizing it. Man, I wish they'd use that as a throwaway line at some point.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #615 on: March 12, 2012, 01:18:05 PM »

Moffat mentioned that he modeled the Silents after the Thin Men alien myth. Basically, aliens that disguise themselves as G-men and abduct people under the guise of being from the government.

It's a cool idea to use as a launching point.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #616 on: March 12, 2012, 01:47:31 PM »

Which is why in the year five billion or whenever people are often still wearing pretty typical 19th-20th century suits. They're just picking up the idea from impossible-to-remember aliens without realizing it. Man, I wish they'd use that as a throwaway line at some point.

That's what I was thinking too, although more along the lines of, what if that's where the three-piece-suit originated? Some tailor who had encountered The Silence and was inspired/driven by his vague non-memories to create clothing like that.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #617 on: March 12, 2012, 02:28:52 PM »

Moffat mentioned that he modeled the Silents after the Thin Men alien myth. Basically, aliens that disguise themselves as G-men and abduct people under the guise of being from the government.

It's a cool idea to use as a launching point.

Nah. He needs to flip that around. The G-men and anyone who ever wore or tailored a suit are the ones dressing up like the aliens without even realizing it. We're all doing so because we unconsciously associate authority with the appearance of these aliens that nobody actually remembers ever seeing. Works even better if the Silence/Silents are naked and their skin just happened to evolve to look like that. Actually, that's kind of like the Overlords in Childhood's End, though inspiring imitation instead of fear and revulsion. If they actually give a shit I bet it's amusing/flattering. Like domestic animals when they act like people.

Yeah. If the show never actually goes that way I think I'm going to have to add it to the pile of throwaway background ideas that could add flavor to a story if I ever got off my ass and wrote fiction.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #618 on: March 12, 2012, 02:57:44 PM »

I think you guys are missing the point that The Silence as an organization are, more than anything, devoted to preventing The Doctor from answering the question, and even The Doctor himself seems to recognize that the secret that goes along with that answer is far too dangerous to ever be revealed, though being The Doctor he's willing to risk it.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #619 on: March 12, 2012, 05:10:47 PM »

... no, I got all that when Jambi explained it repeatedly. We're talking about something else.
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