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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #940 on: November 24, 2013, 02:36:09 AM »

So I've been thinking about something that people keep glossing over while kvetching about the implications of the 50th.

[spoiler]People keep arguing about whether we should start bumping up doctors because the War Doctor is accepted again, but everyone is forgetting that the metacrisis doctor is supposed to count for a regeneration now so when they arguing that Capaldi is going to be the 13th, their also forgetting that he's technically going to be the 14th. Get ready for the next episode to cover both the end of the silence arc and bypassing the regeneration limit while still being a Christmas special (no look guys it's snowing on Trenzalor it's totally Christmas).[/spoiler]
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #941 on: November 24, 2013, 11:47:11 AM »

Okay, I watched it, because tickets are sold out everywhere in a 25-mile radius.  (So much for being too small to run on a Saturday night.  With this kind of turnout I wouldn't be surprised if they ran it again.)

Thoroughly enjoyed it.  Let out a total of three whoops at the climax -- [spoiler]Hartnell appears, Eccleston gets a line, Capaldi shows up[/spoiler].

[spoiler]So, The Moment.  I think that Billie Piper knocked it out of the park with her performance, and what a big curveball as to her presence.  Everyone I talked to expected her to just do the same kind of thing that Rose and Sarah Jane did in School Reunion, but what happened?  Totally not that.  And here's a theory I posited on Talking Time: could The Moment actually contain a TARDIS core?  It seems like when she first talks to the War Doctor, she has a lot of the same tics that Idris/Sexy had in "The Doctor's Wife".  Mixing up the past and the future, and all.[/spoiler]

I had the object in question pegged as a TARDIS console as soon as I saw it in that trailer.

[spoiler]Though there wasn't a good reason why every Doctor but 11 had to forget the whole thing ever happening, beyond convenience.[/spoiler]

Right, it was really the only way to avoid retconning out [spoiler]the entirety of the series to date.  If Nine and Ten had both known that they never actually wiped out the Time Lords, then we're into fucking DC levels of trying to figure out what counts and what doesn't of everything that's happened over the past 8 years.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]And the Tom Baker bit was largely just pointing and saying "Look, it's Tom Baker," but that's cool.[/spoiler]

But imagine how cool that would have been watching the audience reaction if you saw it in a theater.

Like the collective gasp when [spoiler]Leonard Nimoy appears in Star Trek[/spoiler].

Me, I was hoping for John Cleese.

The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot is a pretty funny half-hour of Davison, McCoy, and Colin Baker trying to get into the anniversary special. It has a bunch of fun cameos, and Colin Baker still can't act.

You know what I love?

[spoiler]McCoy said flat-out, months ago, that neither he nor Davison nor Colin Baker had been asked to appear in the anniversary special in any capacity.

We probably should have noticed that he didn't mention Tom Baker or Paul McGann.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]People keep arguing about whether we should start bumping up doctors because the War Doctor is accepted again, but everyone is forgetting that the metacrisis doctor is supposed to count for a regeneration now so when they arguing that Capaldi is going to be the 13th, their also forgetting that he's technically going to be the 14th. Get ready for the next episode to cover both the end of the silence arc and bypassing the regeneration limit while still being a Christmas special (no look guys it's snowing on Trenzalor it's totally Christmas).[/spoiler]

Well, remember how they kept mentioning Christmas last season?  Mentioned it again this episode, too.  I know the regeneration was a recent decision, but I suspect he's had Christmas in mind for awhile.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #942 on: November 24, 2013, 02:55:02 PM »

[spoiler]John Hurt was great as a homage to the old Doctors ("what, do I get to kiss girls in the future?") but I expected him to be a bit more... ruthless, I don't know.

Also, Doctors never grow old, they just turn into stock footage.[/spoiler]

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #943 on: November 24, 2013, 04:26:28 PM »

Utterly re-goddamn-diculously wonderful.

I love that this came out on my birthday.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #944 on: November 25, 2013, 04:29:36 AM »

Sometimes you've got to [spoiler]let Zygons be Zygons[/spoiler].
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #945 on: November 25, 2013, 06:21:36 AM »

http://chainsawsuit.com/2013/11/24/saw-it-for-you-doctor-who-the-day-of-the-doctor-2013/

It was kind of weird seeing this linked elsewhere but then noticing Zara in the comments.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #946 on: November 25, 2013, 07:19:21 AM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #947 on: November 25, 2013, 04:13:25 PM »

My only minor complaint about the 50th have to do with the fact [spoiler] Clara's in it. [/spoiler]
Other than that, wonderful in every way.

[spoiler]There were definitely good big chunks where she felt like a third wheel.  I think it was wise not to give Tennant a companion and to work Piper in in another capacity instead; this really is a story about the Doctor and what he does when he's on his own.

But that's precisely why Clara IS important.  The new series has been flogging the idea since Runaway Bride that the Doctor needs companions because they keep him in touch with his own humanity.  They keep him from going overboard and doing crazy shit.

Like, y'know, genocide.

There was a minute there where it really did seem like Tennant and Smith were going to go along with it, agree that Hurt had no choice after all.  But Clara points out that that's bullshit, and suddenly the spell is broken.

Because, really, the very idea of the Doctor wiping out his own people -- it's a fucking brilliant conceit, but it only works if it's a piece of exposition, if it's some other, intermediate Doctor who doesn't really count.  If we don't actually watch it happen, with one of the Doctors we know and love pushing the Big Red Button.

Because he wouldn't do that.  Not really.  Not any of them.  Wipe out the Daleks?  Sure.  Make the Daleks wipe themselves out?  Even likelier.  But the idea of one of the actual Eleven Doctors throwing the switch to blow up Gallifrey?  Nah.

That's what separates Doctor Who from Torchwood: in Torchwood, no-win situations are mandatory, even ridiculously contrived.  In Doctor Who, there's no such thing.  There's always another way.

It's true that Eleven's run has been characterized by running from his own inevitable death -- but it's also been characterized by facing it and finding another way.  Finding that there's no such thing as inevitability (unless you really need to write the Ponds out).  And Tennant pretty much gave us the mandate for the Christmas Special: now he's going to find his way out of his death at Trenzalore.

The Moment calls him "the one who forgets" -- but now he's the one who remembers.  He's the one who stops running.  After spending his life running away from Gallifrey, now he's running towards it.  He found another way -- because of course he did.  Because that's what he does.

It just took a little push from one of those stupid apes he's so fond of.

Now, we clearly haven't seen the last of Grim, Angry Doctor -- Capaldi's scowling eyes made that clear.  But there's been a change now.  The Doctor's done the impossible once again, and now he's found a way out of his greatest regret.

That's #11's legacy.  As surely as 9 and 10 are defined by the shadow of the Time War, 11 is the Doctor who got out from under it.

And left 12 with plenty on his to-do list.[/spoiler]
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #948 on: November 25, 2013, 04:46:06 PM »

Seems like Thad's working on a Who blog post.

All really good points, Thad.

Just got back from the screening.  There was a cosplayer who was totally in character as Tom Baker.  Dude handed out Jelly Babies and was trying to Sonic Screwdriver his laptop in to picking up the local wi-fi.  I made sure to tell him to not pick the strange-looking one.

As for the screening itself, the biggest applause getter was [spoiler]No, sir.  ALL THIRTEEN.[/spoiler]
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #949 on: November 26, 2013, 04:17:36 PM »

(So much for being too small to run on a Saturday night.  With this kind of turnout I wouldn't be surprised if they ran it again.)

Bleeding Cool reports it was the #2 movie on Monday night.  Meaning more people went to see Archival Footage Eccleston than Actual Eccleston.

I really would like another chance to see it in the theater and I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Listening, Fathom and BBC?

Well, remember how they kept mentioning Christmas last season?  Mentioned it again this episode, too.

Oh, and "Omega" came up too.

Not saying we'll see him at Christmas -- or even at all.  (Thought: the Doctor becomes the new Omega, or at least comes to be seen as such by the Silence and the various other groups that are terrified of him?  Or possibly Omega shows up when [spoiler]the Doctor finds Gallifrey -- pocket universe, don'tcha know[/spoiler].)
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #950 on: November 27, 2013, 04:24:39 AM »

There are some rumor-spoilers about the Christmas special floating around on the internet. It sounds pretty shitty and almost unbelievable until you see the promo picture BBC released for the special. Just a warning for you guys if you don't want to run into what may or may not be a plot synopsis.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #951 on: December 04, 2013, 02:17:20 PM »

Quote from: Peter Davidson
A few years ago when Billie Piper was playing Rose, I was very worried because the next week’s episode was called something like The Day Rose Died. I can’t remember exactly what it was called. Well, my children were in love with Rose as a companion, and I was worried about her. So I sent an e-mail off to Russell T. Davies, who of course had grown up on the classic Doctor Who series, and I said “Could you just reassure me that Rose does not, in fact, die because my children shouldn’t watch it if that happens,” and he sent an e-mail back to me saying, “You killed Adric. What do you care?”
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #952 on: December 04, 2013, 02:44:17 PM »

I don't watch much Doctor Who, but wasn't Adric up there with Scrappy Doo as one of the most loathed characters in a long-running TV series?
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #953 on: December 04, 2013, 02:49:02 PM »

Yeah but he still got exploded good.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #954 on: December 04, 2013, 03:48:57 PM »

It's a good story, but how old are Davison's kids?  His daughter is married to David Tennant.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #955 on: December 04, 2013, 04:00:42 PM »

Who was, as you'll remember, the impossibly adorable Doctor's daughter in that one episode with the bubbly fish people with p90s.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #956 on: December 04, 2013, 04:19:58 PM »

(There's also no episode with a title remotely like The Day Rose Died.  There's an episode that begins with Rose narrating that she died, but if you're to the point where you're already watching the cold open you probably don't need to ask the showrunner what happens, just somebody who's seen the episode the full way through.  I'm inclined to say Davison's just making shit up for the sake of a good joke, but it IS a pretty good joke.)

(Though, edit to add: according to Wikipedia, he DOES have two sons under the age of 10.  I guess it's possible Rose's "and that's how I died" monologue could have been in the preceding week's "Next week..." blurb.)
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #957 on: December 05, 2013, 02:26:40 AM »

Well he even says he doesn't remember the title of the episode, he didn't believe that the episode was actually called that.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #958 on: December 05, 2013, 02:56:00 AM »

His sons were the two boys in The Five-ish Doctors, by the way.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #959 on: December 05, 2013, 03:15:10 AM »

I think the "Next time on Doctor Who" teaser for the episode in question consisted of that Billie Piper narration.  That might be why Davison was so concerned.
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