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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #520 on: August 13, 2012, 02:00:00 PM »

Well, I mean, the shock is in the choice of dealing horrific physical violence against a female character solely to provide motivation for the male principals in the story.

I guess sad to say that really isn't all that shocking anymore?

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Babs spent the next 25 years in a wheelchair.

Until MAGIC STUFF HAPPENED that is.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #521 on: August 13, 2012, 06:34:39 PM »

Jason Todd was shocking too but now look.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #522 on: August 13, 2012, 06:45:38 PM »

I saw the killing joke on amazon but didn't order it. I don't know if Alan Moore is good or not I only know that I really liked Watchmen. Was Watchmen a fluke? Is Moore the George Lucas of comics?

Edit: Well anyway I've got year one and the killing joke ordered and on the way. they'll be here in about a week I guess.

Basically, the more editorial control he's under and the less of Alan Moore Crazy he's able to insert, the better.  Which is why stuff like Killing Joke or Watchmen is good, but the entirely standalone indie stuff is borderline unreadable.

I never realized that Moore and Ennis were similar. Who'd have thought?
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #523 on: August 21, 2012, 11:22:22 AM »

David: At this point, you're probably saying to yourself, "But that doesn't make any sense." And to that, I respond "but the cupcakes aren't wearing tuxedos, Laura." You might also say to yourself, "There's no way this could possibly end with bees." But you would be wrong.

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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #524 on: August 21, 2012, 12:11:15 PM »

My cousin started reading Batman Odyssey simply because it was the only book that started with #1 at his comic store.

Now he reads it because he wants to know where Neal Adam's topsy-turvy brain will take it.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #525 on: August 21, 2012, 12:44:30 PM »

...Jesus Christ, so HE'S the fucker who they keep restarting every comic at #1 for.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #526 on: August 28, 2012, 04:58:29 PM »

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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #527 on: November 29, 2012, 10:14:05 AM »

Batman Inc: Well, Morrison's doing that thing he does when he's in the home stretch, throwing out all his remaining ideas at once.  #5 was a return to the Damian-as-Batman future.  He goes full on Revelation here, and there's a more-than-passing resemblance to his final X-Men arc.

Barbara's in a wheelchair again, meaning he's either explicitly ignoring the New 52 status quo or implying that she ends up BACK in a wheelchair.  Or maybe it's just a "Something is wrong" red flag.

Because it also sure seems to flat-out contradict Batman #700 -- which depicted Damian, not Bruce, in the mentor role to Terry McGinnis -- and I really don't see how that can possibly happen after the events of this issue.

I'm also kind of curious how much of this Morrison planned, coincidentally, in advance of Dark Knight Rises and how much, if any, was influenced by the movie.  Because this issue climaxes with [spoiler]Gotham being nuked, mushroom cloud and all, and Talia al Ghul being behind it[/spoiler].

I mean, of course the thing about dystopian futures is they're ALL things that are never going to happen.  Bruce is always going to be Batman; we KNOW he's not going to die and leave the mantle to Damian (or that if he does, the status quo will get reset later).  But for Morrison's purposes, I'm curious what's "real" and what's not in these different visions of the future he's set up, and whether he'll explicitly end the series with Damian preventing Bruce's death or, instead, leave it with the implication that it could still happen.

Damian could still die, of course, but that's not my best guess.  For one thing, Dead Robin is so fucking played-out at this point; for two, Morrison's repeatedly stated in interviews that his original intent was to kill Damian off but that he changed his mind, and that doesn't seem like something you'd say in interviews if you were still planning to kill him off.

I'm more interested in seeing Bruce turn out to be wrong.  He's resisted the idea of Damian becoming Robin from the get-go (it was Dick who allowed it, while Bruce was "dead"), and now he's insistent that the only outcome is a bad one.  It makes for an interesting contradiction from the Inc status quo -- Batman wants all the Batmen he can get, EXCEPT THAT ONE -- but, well, it IS a contradiction.

I think we're definitely in a period right now that's playing the "Bat-Family is a good thing, Batman shouldn't just be an angry loner" angle.  And I hope that continues.  Because while there's something to be said about Angry Loner Batman, it's pretty damn played-out, and I'd much rather see Friendly Batman for awhile.

Which may be a moot point as I'm not sure how much I'll be following Batman once Morrison's out.  Snyder's got some interesting ideas but they've never quite gelled for me, and Layman's doing pretty great work over in Detective but I don't know if he's there for the long haul or not.  Guess we'll see.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #528 on: December 06, 2012, 10:52:56 AM »

And speaking of Layman, I'm thoroughly enjoying his Detective Comics.  So far he's spun a great story with Penguin, Ivy, Clayface, and, as of the cliffhanger ending of the latest issue, a new self-styled crime boss.

It definitely feels like the TAS/Arkham games version of the Rogues so far, but I'm pretty cool with that.

The latest issue's a good "Tragic Clayface" story, and moves some big pieces around for the main event, the Penguin arc.  (The setup, two issues ago: Bruce Wayne is opening a new hospital wing or some damn thing named for his mother; Penguin steals his thunder, puts a hit out on Bruce so he'll be late for the unveiling, and bribes some city officials to name it after his own mother instead.  As you may expect, the hit fails, but the upshot is that Bruce still has assassins after him and a rather personal reason for bringing Penguin down.)

It's much more fun than the latest issue of Chew was.  And so far the crossover with Snyder's Death of the Family arc seems to be integrating organically; we'll see if that continues.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #529 on: January 08, 2013, 12:19:58 PM »

Something that just occurred to me the other day:

In Return of the Joker, [spoiler]Joker's dying words are "That's not funny."[/spoiler]

In Arkham City, [spoiler]Joker's dying words are "That actually IS pretty funny!"[/spoiler]

Well-played, Dini.  Well-played.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #530 on: February 13, 2013, 10:04:30 PM »

Some thoughts on Snyder's Batman.

I think he's got a real feel for the characters and mythos, but it's been so awash in decompressed grimdark that I'm having trouble sticking with it.  I'll give him one more issue, too, like I'm giving Lemire on Animal Man.  (Because the best single issue of Snyder's Batman to date WAS the one after the last arc-ending issue.  Not for nothin', it was also a self-contained story that didn't have anybody getting tortured.  It would have been solid even without Becky Cloonan, but she really hit it out of the park.)
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #531 on: March 28, 2013, 11:00:10 PM »

For all that I thought Batman Inc #8 was an anticlimax given the buildup, #9 is pitch-perfect.

As cynical as I am about character deaths, as cynical as I am about the press coverage and the "REQUIEM" logo on the cover of every Bat-book and the very real possibility that Damian will be back in six months anyway (a possibility this issue quite deliberately opens up, with the reveal that there's still one functional Lazarus Pit left in the world), this was still straight-up good brass-tacks storytelling.  Morrison nailed the anger and the sadness, the big fight scene (Dick's moment being my favorite -- he was Damian's Batman more than Bruce ever was), the funeral, Bruce Wayne once again swearing vengeance over a body.  He even [spoiler]gets angry at Alfred[/spoiler] -- though we know he'll get over it.

But Damian's not the only Bat-family member being mourned.  Knight's dead too, and Beryl gets her moment in the sun.  That's all to the good too -- I've really loved our short time with Cyril and Beryl.  (Oh hey, nobody's updated the Knight Wikipedia page yet.)

The Morrison "Adam West meets David Lynch" vibe shows up at the end too, with [spoiler]Jason[/spoiler] facing some femmes fatales -- after [spoiler]leaving a trail of his own urine upon capture so that the rest of the Family can find him.  Me, I'm hoping Morrison's making fun of Kevin Smith.[/spoiler]

The closer, with Batman [spoiler]saying goodbye to Bat-Cow[/spoiler], was one of those unexpectedly brilliant moments -- heart-wrenching even though it's ludicrous.

All this is how a death should go.  Even if he DOES come back before it's all over.  Morrison's really firing on all cylinders, and I think Burnham's putting in the best work he's ever done.  Without the emotional core in his art this whole thing would fall flat -- but he's got it, man.

Batman's not usually depicted as having much emotional range.  He's usually depicted somewhere between "grumpy" and "enraged".  And he's certainly got those here.  But this isn't a story about Angry Batman.  It's a story about Sad Batman.  And Burnham sells it.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #532 on: April 05, 2013, 08:44:16 AM »

DC reveals new Robin.

So, they're just actively trolling their fanbase now, right?
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #533 on: April 05, 2013, 11:06:38 AM »

Reaction to that has me hating fans so much.

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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #534 on: April 05, 2013, 11:23:38 AM »

Why?
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #535 on: April 05, 2013, 11:25:08 AM »

The writer implies pretty strongly in the NY Post interview that she's not really the new Robin. So yeah, trolling the fanbase is a pretty accurate read.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #536 on: April 05, 2013, 11:30:58 AM »

Why?

Because some have been actively harassing Gail Simone on her Tumblr about this, trying to throw down on the Stephanie Brown vs Carrie Kelly issue.

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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #537 on: April 05, 2013, 10:02:33 PM »

So yeah, trolling the fanbase is a pretty accurate read.

Forgot to mention, for those who haven't been paying attention to marketing stunts: April has a theme going that DC originally planned on calling "WTF Month", presumably until someone told them what the "F" stands for.  It's all foldout cover gimmicks like that -- the main cover has the first part of a question, then you fold out the second part for some sort of unexpected twist.  In this case, Carrie Kelly.  In Dial H, Nelson unexpectedly turns himself into the Flash.  In Detective Comics, there are a shitload of Man-Bats and the giant words "THE 900", because it's actually issue #900 but the little box says #19 due to a previous marketing gimmick.

So yeah, the entire DC line this month is dedicated to covers that troll the readers.  You know, more than usual.

Actually, it turns out to be a surprisingly timely tribute to Carmine Infantino, who was responsible for many of the crazy DC gimmick covers of the Silver Age.

His were way better, of course.
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #538 on: April 06, 2013, 05:17:07 AM »

Ahahahaha. Superdickery is blocked at work for "Pornography" :glee:
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Re: Worst Batman Thread Ever
« Reply #539 on: April 24, 2013, 05:13:30 PM »

So the main thing I'm wondering after the latest issue of Inc is, what the FUCK is going on in that game of chess Ra's is playing?

It should mean something.  I mean, we see the whole board, top-down, and it remains consistent from panel to panel, and all the moves are legal.  It's very deliberate.  And Morrison's a guy known for playing figurative chess with the complexity of his plots.

But...well, I'm not a great chess player, but I stared at that board for some time and I'm confident that none of the moves make any damn sense.  Not as a chess game, anyway.  So what's it mean as a metaphor?

First thing: red really only has one move to make.  Black's got checkmate in two moves; red's only option is to sacrifice the queen to take the rook.

So I get it: red refuses to do what must be done and sacrifice the queen, and instead dithers around taking a pawn.  And gives up the game; black's got checkmate in two moves.

Except black doesn't make its only logical move, either; the black knight takes the red queen instead of the rook putting the king in check (which would result in the red queen going down next turn ANYWAY, AND checkmate).

So, what -- Batman's lost sight of the goal?  He's giving up his chance to win because he's too focused on taking out Talia?

On the other hand, black's probably going to win this one anyway; it's just going to take longer because of that fucking around with the queen.

Morrison and Ra's are trying to tell us something.  I just can't tell what.

Or maybe he's just fucking with us.

Or...what piece is NOT on the board?

There are no bishops in play.  And yet, this issue spends a significant amount of time on Azrael and the religious elements of the story.  Maybe we shouldn't be paying attention to the knight and the queen at all; maybe we should be wondering what happened to the bishops.
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