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[Thad]

I honestly just can't see Mr.Freeze with memory of Schwarzenegger's bad ice puns burned into my mind.

THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON MR. FREEZE IS A GOOD IDEA.

I didn't get the "escalation" theme from TDK

...really?

for all intensive purposes

Now you need to hit yourself.

I'm not joking.

[Catloaf]

for all intensive purposes

Now you need to hit yourself.

I'm not joking.

I don't get it?  What did I do?  Sure, I'll hit myself, but I don't understand exactly why.  I'll make it three times for good measure.

[Royal☭]

For all intents and purposes.

This is equal to saying "would of".

[Thad]

It's "for all intents AND purposes".  What the fuck is an intensive purpose?

Harvey: Thanks to Bats, we've gone from hoping for Gotham's safety to arresting 500+ criminals. At once.

Joker: Hi folks. I'm bored, so I want to see how many of you will turn into homicidal loonies in the next hour.

Joker: Hi again. Still bored. Let's play Prisoner's Dilemma!

Also, there's the ending of Begins where Gordon BLUNTLY STATES that Joker represents escalation.

[Brentai]

I'm not saying I don't know where it comes from, I'm just saying I wouldn't have named it as the theme of the movie.  I'd have gone more along the lines of "uncertainty" - Ra's, Scarecrow and Batman were all about fear in their own ways, and now Joker, Two-Face and Batman are all about uncertainty in their own ways (one the master, one the embodiment, and Batman always in opposition).

To be fair, though, I think they came up with the "escalation" theme before mashing the Joker and Two-Face stories together.  And of course something like "theme" is totally subjective anyway.

[Kazz]

Order, Chaos, and the Meaning of Justice!

It's a classic fable that happens to have clever pencil magic.

Themes are for women.

[Cannon]

In refrigerators.

[Arc]

I think they came up with the "escalation" theme before mashing the Joker and Two-Face stories together.

Yes, the third installment's theme was to be Duality, with Two-Face as the main antagonist.

[Kazz]

oh yeah and Bale beats up his mom or something?

[Arc]

Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: He was released without charges filed, sources to news agencies agree that it was over nothing, Bale himself stated it was a false charge, he has no history of this nonsense in all his twenty year career, and his family is estranged.

Could go into more detail on the shit his family has pulled on him in the past & present, but would rather just make idle threats towards you for now making this corner of the net unclean.

Uncleeeaaan.

tl;dr - bale posted bail lol

[Thad]

I'm not saying I don't know where it comes from, I'm just saying I wouldn't have named it as the theme of the movie.  I'd have gone more along the lines of "uncertainty" - Ra's, Scarecrow and Batman were all about fear in their own ways, and now Joker, Two-Face and Batman are all about uncertainty in their own ways (one the master, one the embodiment, and Batman always in opposition).

Not mutually exclusive.  It's like all the deconstruction going on in Trinity -- there's more than one way to be a trinity.

To be fair, though, I think they came up with the "escalation" theme before mashing the Joker and Two-Face stories together.

Yeah, but it's basically from The Dark Knight Returns, which featured both of them as examples.

...You know, I just watched Grosse Pointe Blank again, and it uses the "All your life?" -- "Not yet." joke twice, which made me realized that Alfred's use of it is FUCKING DARK taken in the context of the whole movie.

[Brentai]

The more I think about it, the more I want, of all people, Mad Hatter to be the next main villain, which Catwoman in tow.  I don't really feel like launching into the whole tirade explanation as to why just now, but to boil it down: he fits, and with some clever writing he can drop the silly mind-control gimmick and just be more of an extremely persuasive negotiator, giving people what they think they want in return for being expertly manipulated.

[Thad]

Dini did a great Hatter story a few months back.  Hatter kept recruiting thugs and giving them Alice in Wonderland theme identities; Batman eventually pieced together that it wasn't subtle enough to be one of Tetch's schemes and that Tetch was actually being mind-controlled by Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee.  Batman put in a good word with the police when they were arrested, explaining it wasn't Tetch's fault.

This has been a recurring theme in Dini's run on Detective; there was also an ish where the new Ventriloquist sprung Harley from Arkham against her will, and she (Harley) helped Batman defeat her (new Ventriloquist) out of loyalty to the original Ventriloquist and a distaste at someone else stealing his theme.  As with the Hatter story, Batman made sure the authorities knew Harley wasn't to blame for the breakout.

Dini's been great with the whole reform angle; Penguin's not exactly squeaky-clean but he's law-abiding for the most part.  Riddler has been the most fun; he's set up his own private detective business and he and Batman sometimes work as allies and sometimes as rivals.  (One of my favorite moments features all the great detectives of the DCU hanging out together in a chatroom comparing notes.)

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, it would be great to see that version of Riddler in the movies, but it wouldn't actually make any sense without establishing him as a criminal first -- he's not really the Riddler if he's not leaving riddles.

Tangent: the most rational explanation for the riddles I've ever seen -- I saw it in Justice but assume it predates it -- is that Nygma's father used to beat the hell out of him when he'd lie, so he developed a compulsion to tell the truth, and always to confess when he'd done something wrong.  The riddles are a compromise -- he needs to confess, but he doesn't want to be caught, so he makes the confessions as arcane as he can.

...Should we bother splitting a "Who should be the villain(s) in the next Batman movie?" thread?  We're not really talking Dark Knight spoilers here.

[Arc]

Everyone I talk with thinks Two-Face is still alive.

Batman should have shot him.

In the face.

Both of them.

With silver bullets.

Exploding silver bullets.

And then nuked Gotham from orbit.

[TA]

I know, that take on events seems distressingly prevalent.

Way I see it, it doesn't matter.  Harvey Dent's story is done.  He fell, the Joker was right.  Whether he's dead, or alive and confined, he's not going to come back.

[Kazz]

but he never put on the tommy lee jones krazy-man suit

[Thad]

But half his suit was burned.  I thought that was a nice touch.

[Mongrel]

But half his suit was burned.  I thought that was a nice touch.

Well, at least somebody else noticed that.

 

[McDohl]

Good movie, but as was stated earlier in the thread, it was 3 hours, and it ended like 3 times.

[Lady Duke]

I thought it ended when the caught the Joker initially.  And then I looked at my watch.