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[Mongrel]

I may have mentioned it previously, but I've been pouring that beer since the day W won the 1999-2000 primary season.

[Brentai]

[A²]

President Obama says "A Pitbull Is Delicious" at Whitehouse Correspondents' Dinner 4/28/2012

FRIDAY:DAMN!

[Mongrel]

Every time I see this thread now, I hear the title sung out the way Paul McCartney does with the opening line of Oh! Darling!

[TA]

"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married."

[Doom]

Simultaneously happy for Oh! Bama and dreading having to read anything on the internet for the next month.

Folks are gonna get mad as Hell.

[Ziiro]

Jimmies will be rustled.

[Thad]

Well, good.

And all it took was a statistical demonstration that people who oppose gay marriage would rather vote for a prison inmate than him.

Don't get me wrong, it's a step in the right direction...but talk is cheap.

[Doom]

Talk during an Election Season in which you have to court people stupid enough to get mad that a ten year old boy sampled dog meat in a foreign country in a different culture as offered to him by his father and that impacts his ability to lead a country and contribute to the notion that maybe those wacky homosexuals are human too... pretty significant Talk.

I mean yeah, it's the lame duck style of Obama to say something and not do it, but this is an unusually bold stand for our John Jameson vs James Johnson style politics.

If anything it should throw a nice gas can on the fire destroying the GOP by revealing that they are literally becoming little more than a party held together by hatred of others. OH NO, ALL THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT GROUPS ARE MAD? Great!

[TA]

OBAMA FLIP FLOPS, DECLARES WAR ON MARRIAGE

[Thad]

Talk during an Election Season in which you have to court people stupid enough to get mad that a ten year old boy sampled dog meat in a foreign country in a different culture as offered to him by his father and that impacts his ability to lead a country and contribute to the notion that maybe those wacky homosexuals are human too... pretty significant Talk.

Here's the thing, though: anyone who thinks he's actually going to successfully court those people is an idiot.

Obama is not going to win over the Fox News audience.  He's spent four years trying; he passed the Heritage Foundation's version of healthcare and they responded by calling him a socialist.

People voting to ban gay marriage aren't going to vote for Obama.  Period.  Bending over backwards trying to please them just disappoints and disillusions the people who ARE predisposed toward voting for him.

There's a reason that his biggest issue this past month has been student loans: he's realized that he's lost the youth demographic.  And he's realized that just maybe pandering to THEM will be more successful than pandering to the people who keep forwarding dogmeat/Secret Muslim E-Mails to everybody in their address book.

[Doom]

I agree on all counts and I think it's a great thing to just completely ignore the worst parts of our country who are content to vote against the Country/Mankind's best interests out of raw spite. My point there about Talk riling up stupid people is that he'll rally the youth vote, but he'll also fire up the blob of right-wingers who never liked Romney and were getting ready to mope and just not vote like proud Americans.

However I also think he's calculated that and is going for the youth vote being stronger.

[Thad]

Well, yes; it's a calculated risk -- he thinks the risk of continuing his incoherent, disingenuous stance would be greater than the risk of supporting the great civil rights issue of our age.

Counting on evangelicals to stay home is poor strategy, even if they AREN'T crazy about Romney.  They already think Obama is the antichrist (literally, in some cases); I don't think this will galvanize them substantially more than anything else he's done.

As for the youth vote, well, he may win it back yet.  But apathy's a hard thing to overcome, particularly when you can't get a decent job, and I'm sure people have noticed he hasn't exactly lived up to the modest promises he made four years ago.

[Brentai]

It's not really much of a risk.  Every time the conversation turns from economic issues to social ones, Obama wins.  He did play his trump card a little early though.

[Mongrel]

The early play works out a bit in his favour though. It gives him (slightly) more plausible deniability that he's doing this "out of principle" rather than it being blatantly electioneering if he does it now, rather than say, in October.

[François]

OBAMA FLIP FLOPS, DECLARES WAR ON MARRIAGE

[Shinra]

The consensus from a lot of media sources seems to be that Biden put Obama on the spot by coming out in support of gay marriage ; Obama's ambiguous position on the matter in the face of his number two's concrete position would be confusing for voters and put him at risk in the general election. Personally, at this point, I think it's less that and more 'time to amp up the base and convince them that I'm the guy they voted for four years ago, even though I've done close to none of the things that made people vote for me'. At this point Obama probably figures that the shit swing voters really care about - economy and security - are already in the bag, and what's going to turn this election is getting his base to show up to the polls. Romney might as well be Gay Stalin as far as a lot of the far right are concerned, whereas Obama is just the Fallen Black Jesus. I think it'll be easier for Obama to rhetoric his way back into his party's hearts than it will be for a Gerd Damn Lib'rul Republican to, esp. given that the current climate in the republican mainstream is 'somewhere to the right of Mussolini'.

[McDohl]

Is there a screenshot where this Fox News article squawks "WAR ON MARRIAGE"?

http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2012/05/09/fox-news-blasts-obama-announcement-and-says-he-declares-war

Here it is

what blows my mind is Shep Smith.  That guy has stones.  "Our President of the United States, in the 21st century."

[Shinra]

Shep smith has always had the role of straight man in a sea of insanity. He is literally the guy fox falls back on when defending their legitimacy

I can't help but wonder if this is shep's way of saying "I want out".

[Romosome]

FOX NEWS FLIP FLOPS ON HEADLINE ACCUSING OBAMA OF FLIPFLOPPING, MILLIONS DIE AS MASSIVE WAVE OF IRONY CRASHES ACROSS THE HEARTLAND