Topic: Oh! Bama (Read 50609 times)

TA · « **Reply #520 on:** August 04, 2009, 01:00:59 PM »

Quote from: Constantine on August 04, 2009, 05:05:46 AM

They're trying to argue that if a US citizen gave birth to a child outside the United States to a non-native father, he would be ineligible to be a natural born citizen. Which is ridiculous. Although, the law is rather unclear on this regard, but that doesn't stop Orly Taitz from spreading legal disinformation about it.

Sidenote: No, it's not. The only conceivable ambiguity is whether "natural born citizen" is the same as a "national and citizen of the United States at birth", because the two are not explicitly made synonyms. The circumstances under which someone is a citizen at birth are quite firmly established, and they inarguably include Obama. Even if Orly Taitz is completely, 100% right about the circumstances of his birth (which she isn't), Obama's still a citizen as per (g).

Pacobird · « **Reply #521 on:** August 04, 2009, 02:15:13 PM »

Orly Taitz brings the pain; UPI subtly editorializes.

Payoff is in the last paragraph.

Mongrel · « **Reply #522 on:** August 04, 2009, 02:19:34 PM »

Quote from: P. Birdy on August 04, 2009, 02:15:13 PM

Orly Taitz brings the pain; UPI subtly editorializes.

Lovin' that second paragraph.

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Payoff is in the last paragraph.

That was Abso-freaking-lutely beeeee-yooouuuu-ti-ful.

Brentai · « **Reply #523 on:** August 04, 2009, 02:57:36 PM »

I love the way they wrote it as if it were a debatable claim tossed out by the Dems.

TA · « **Reply #524 on:** August 04, 2009, 03:00:27 PM »

Quote from: That Article

Taitz's document, described as a certified copy, says Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in a hospital in Mombasa. The document is dated Feb. 17, 1964, and stamped Republic of Kenya

Quote from: Wikipedia

Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.

JDigital · « **Reply #525 on:** August 04, 2009, 03:06:17 PM »

The Kenyan birth certificate is also revealed to be a copy of an Australian birth certificate.

Catloaf · « **Reply #526 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:27:32 PM »

Quote from: JDigital on August 04, 2009, 11:37:11 AM

That Obama's parents advertised his birth in two Hawaii newspapers as a trick to get him an American birth certificate, even though he held American citizenship anyway through his mother at birth

I think most Birthers don't understand this part at all. Or are racist enough to ignore it.

Or at the very least, believe he's not a "Natural Born Citizen" despite it. Which might mean that they only believe people born in one of the 13 original colonies are eligible to be president. .... Nah, I think they're just fucking racist bastards....Or unscrupulous right wing bastards looking for any microscopic shred of a reason to get rid of Obama. Or more likely, both.

Brentai · « **Reply #527 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:38:24 PM »

They are on TV getting paid very large sums of money to talk about it.

Real idiots, huh?

Royal☭ · « **Reply #528 on:** August 04, 2009, 06:31:29 PM »

I'd casually dismiss them, but after the George Tiller murder, I know how far crazy right-wingers can go when they think they're way of life is threatened.

Mongrel · « **Reply #529 on:** August 04, 2009, 07:40:44 PM »

Quote from: Catloaf on August 04, 2009, 04:27:32 PM

they only believe people born in one of the 13 original colonies are eligible to be president

THERE IS ONLY ONE ORIGINAL COLONY.

TEXAS

McDohl · « **Reply #530 on:** August 05, 2009, 04:39:28 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLSnGe06kAI

Shinra · « **Reply #531 on:** August 05, 2009, 08:22:41 AM »

Quote from: JDigital on August 04, 2009, 11:37:11 AM

So if I'm following this story correctly, Birthers believe one or more of the following:

That the Supreme Court didn't check Obama's birth certificate or citizenship status before allowing him to become President
That the Hawaii state department is lying about having Obama's original birth certificate on file
That the Hawaii state department is hiding something by not handing over any citizen's birth certificate to anyone who asks
That three anonymous image analysts with unproven credentials are all correct in their analysis of Obama's birth certificate as a forgery
That the term "natural born citizen" is not ambiguous
That "natural born citizen" only applies to children born in the US to US citizen parents, when US courts have made no such ruling and US law holds no such definition
That a short form birth certificate is worthless, but a long form certificate is sufficient
That Obama's parents advertised his birth in two Hawaii newspapers as a trick to get him an American birth certificate, even though he held American citizenship anyway through his mother at birth
That even if Obama was proven a Kenyan, there's any way to depose him except calling for an impeachment
That different standards would have applied to John McCain, verifiably born on foreign soil to American parents and who cannot produce his original birth certificate
That an ad-hoc jury of citizens has constitutional right to depose the President

Remind me why anyone takes this movement seriously.

Because all republicans watch is Fox News, which has spun this story to be a lot more truthful than it actually is.

My mother in law spends 8 hours a day on that channel. It's like living with Bill O Reily.

Disposable Ninja · « **Reply #532 on:** August 05, 2009, 09:23:19 AM »

Half the news these days are the insane ramblings of ultra-conservatives. The other half are the point-by-point refuting of said insane ramblings.

SCD · « **Reply #533 on:** August 05, 2009, 12:50:55 PM »

Quote from: The Ecomomist"

He has been curiously ill-served by a press short of useful criticism, with liberal America prepared only to debate what sort of water he walks on best, while conservative radio hosts argue over when exactly he became a communist. And of course, government is darned hard: even when you make the right decision—to close Guantánamo, for instance—it can take years to put into effect.

TA · « **Reply #534 on:** August 05, 2009, 01:01:55 PM »

Well, that didn't take long.

McDohl · « **Reply #535 on:** August 06, 2009, 05:35:30 AM »

Ah, well that was fun.

Mongrel · « **Reply #536 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:10:07 AM »

Quote from: McDohl Banderas on August 06, 2009, 05:35:30 AM

Ah, well that was fun.

Looks like someone doesn't like remote linking...

McDohl · « **Reply #537 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:02:20 AM »

Mongrel · « **Reply #538 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:06:49 AM »

Huh. The link was dead earlier. Perhaps the site was down.

...

Hey, somebody do one for Michael Haggar!

Thad · « **Reply #539 on:** August 10, 2009, 08:11:40 PM »

...discovered that Conspiracy Theory Guy at work is a birther. Was not really surprised.

His argument was that if even Fox News was backing off it as crazy, there MUST be a coverup going on.

I managed to bite my tongue this time, because the last time I contradicted him he spent half an hour explaining how the WMD's were smuggled to Syria.

News:

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