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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #100 on: March 19, 2008, 03:55:25 PM »

So.... this just in: Obama drops in the polls?

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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #101 on: March 19, 2008, 04:26:20 PM »

America doesn't deserve him.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2008, 05:12:25 PM »

You know, this is sort of funny. Reminds me of a pointless rambling anecdote.

Most Canadians are sort of kneejerk in their anti-Americanism. It's a hobby, a security blanket, a national pasttime, and gives us something to do in the long cold winters besides fuck endlessly and hunt baby harp seal. But I'd like to think that I came by mine a little more honestly.

I follow US politics regularly and fairly closely, for all the usual self-preservational reasons, and there was a primary campaign way back when in the days of yore that I was paying very close attention to.

I remember one candidate was a smart fightin' man, who seemed mostly honest and was definitely unafraid to take troublemakers head-on. I remember another candidate (I hesitate to use the term 'man'), a figurehead as dumb as a fencepost, chasing office half for its own sake, half out of inertia, and half out of a need to prove himself to his family*. But the most important thing I remember was that the fighter was far, far, FAR more electable. He consistently polled way ahead with the electorate as compared to the dunce.

I remember reading all that and thinking to myself "If the Party chooses the idiot, simply because he'll play ball, I think that's finally it. I think they'll have finally reached the point where the nation is just screwed. That will be the point at which the political machine has simply lost any real meaningful connection (however nominal and tenuous) with the people it serves, after which it's all downhill from there". In the privacy of my own thoughts, I made that primary my own personal referendum on the U.S. - a bit harsh perhaps, but hey, I've never claimed to be that astute. 

As is probably obvious, that was the '99-'00 primary season.

Now, I'm not saying the parallels are all the same at all, because let's get one thing damn straight - they're not. But there is a sort of a sense of haunting familiarity that I'm getting.

I guess, to me it doesn't matter of O-Dawg turns out to be another Hoover-esque Wonder Boy, swept away by events and failing miserably. I think that that chance has to be taken. I think that his message can actually be taken at face value: that he represents hope, that he honestly wants to lead rather than manage. That for a change someone is trying so damn hard to be legitimately positive. That maybe the citizens of the US could honestly feel good about being American again. And that your longtime friends wouldn't feel guilty every time they found themselves on your side of the fence.

And for a cynical jerk pragmatist like me to prefer a pretty face to a proven manager**, well it counts for something (to me anyway) when I realize I feel that way.

Maybe the economy has doomed Obama already, maybe he'll have feet of clay, who the hell knows. But I do know what the chances are for those wonderful hopeful feelings, under a Hillary or McCain administration: Fuckin' dead zero.

If he's frozen out, I really have no idea how I'll feel, but it won't be good.

*Hey, he ain't no mathemagician.

**well, it's not too hard to look good compared to a blatant sellout and a rapacious opportunist.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2008, 06:10:16 PM »

My dad heard Obama's speech and has walked around all day declaring him a "fuckin' genius."  Then he sat in front of Fox News and started declaring people who insulted Obama "fuckin' assholes."

I'm so fuckin' proud.

Jus' wonderin', how does your dad feel about Obama's "get the fuck out of Iraq" plan?  I figure that's a pretty big point of contention among Obama and conservatives, but I don't know whether your dad supports the war now anyway.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #104 on: March 19, 2008, 06:19:52 PM »

Mongrel, they could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #105 on: March 19, 2008, 06:25:06 PM »

So.... this just in: Obama drops in the polls?

All conducted before The Speech. I'll bother to fret over national polls after the convention.


AmericaThe United States doesn't deserve him.

I wouldn't put it past those dastardly thieves of the North to whisk him away from us in the dead of night.  :>_>:
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #106 on: March 19, 2008, 06:59:12 PM »

My dad heard Obama's speech and has walked around all day declaring him a "fuckin' genius."  Then he sat in front of Fox News and started declaring people who insulted Obama "fuckin' assholes."

I'm so fuckin' proud.

Jus' wonderin', how does your dad feel about Obama's "get the fuck out of Iraq" plan?  I figure that's a pretty big point of contention among Obama and conservatives, but I don't know whether your dad supports the war now anyway.

Dad doesn't wanna be in Iraq any more than anyone else.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #107 on: March 19, 2008, 07:02:32 PM »

I wouldn't put it past those dastardly thieves of the North to whisk him away from us in the night.

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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #108 on: March 19, 2008, 07:17:28 PM »

While I can't find it to quote in the online edition of the economist, a Mr Humphrey Taylor from Sherman-Harris Poll writes the following:

"Sir,

Many people have criticized the performance of opinion polls during this primary election season, (Article: Obama by one, no, ten, no five, March 1st) Some polls do a better job than others.  Whereas the record of polls in predicting general elections, especially presidential elections has been pretty good, their record in primary elections has often been bad, and probably always will be.  Polls predicting primary results get the outcome wrong because of low turnout, the impossibility of predicting accurately who will and who won't come out, and the extreme volatility that sometimes occurs after interviews have been completed.  Frankly, it's a mug's game."


Interesting thing about Obama is he is just right to be PM, except that he doesn't seem easy to corrupt and owns up to his mistakes and the mistakes of others dead on. 

He'd be a horrible PM..
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #109 on: March 20, 2008, 10:37:48 AM »

Unsurprisingly, Hannity's still singing the same song, speech or no speech.  Tom Tomorrow has a good rundown of how he's spinning it: The Evolving Narrative, Further Context.

I think in a lot of ways this election may turn out to be a referendum on Fox News vs. YouTube.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #110 on: March 21, 2008, 06:51:51 AM »

So, in the good news category, Obama's getting a rousing formal endorsement from Bill Richardson. Not bad considering he's:

a: Hispanic*
b: The governor of a state Hillary won
c: Has a good record on international derring-do
d: A stong potential candidate for VP for either camp**
e: Is friends with the Clintons

* I'm not saying "Obama needs teh ethnic vote!!!1" or other racially charged nonsense. I'm just being blunt here: that's a demographic that Hillary is doing much better with than Obama is right now. The endorsement helps.

** i.e. if he wanted to play greasy operator-type, he easily could have just hang on to see who won... not that Obama's a bad gamble on the numbers.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2008, 04:47:34 PM »

O-Man plays to my weakness of lotteries.

Some may find this as only a ploy to boost his March numbers, but if it means maintaining these percentages, then fukit. Ploy away.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #112 on: March 26, 2008, 07:04:21 PM »

Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #113 on: March 26, 2008, 10:38:00 PM »

If Clinton gets the nomination, I'm voting for McCain.

Welcome to the 19%.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #114 on: March 26, 2008, 10:57:00 PM »

Two problems:

1. Where's "I wouldn't vote for either of them"?
2. This DOES sort of reinforce Clinton's claim that she's more electable than Obama.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #115 on: March 27, 2008, 07:24:30 AM »

Hidden in the Gallup link, as it appears both candidates lose 3% among their 'supporters' even if they secure the nomination. Historically, these are good percentages. 10% of self-identifying Democrats voted for Bush over Kerry, and 8% for Bush over Gore.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2008, 09:42:29 AM »

Where the hell is the Clinton love?  I'm a KucinichObama supporter myself, but I'm just not seeing any love for Clinton anywhere in person or in the media.  Yet there is supposedly this rather even split among democrats.  Where the fuck are these people?!!?! 
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2008, 09:56:42 AM »

They're not in control of the media, and they're not in the schools.
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2008, 10:11:57 AM »

women lol
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Re: Oh! Bama
« Reply #119 on: March 27, 2008, 10:39:11 AM »

To say the media's shown bias against Hillary Clinton for the past 15 years would be an understatement.

Of course, when she called attention to that fact and the seeming free ride Obama was getting, most of the media took that to mean "We need to stir up a bunch of stupid shit about Obama, too" instead of "We need to ask Obama hard questions about the details of his policies."

Because really, scandal sells.
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