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Ted Belmont · « **Reply #1340 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:26:49 AM »

Yeah, the guy who owns/runs my comic shop got to go to a meeting in Chicago with DiDio and about 30 other regional comic shops owners, and everything he told me about it basically boils down to "don't worry guys, nothing's really going to change lol". That, and the stuff they've said about being even more ruthless about cancelling underperforming titles makes me think the titles I'm actually interested in(Demon Knight, the western and war titles, and a few others) will end up getting lost in the fray amongst the dozens of traditional superhero comics, and cut within the first 6 months to make way for more Green Lantern spinoffs.

Of course, like Bal, I don't buy any current comics, and I don't plan to, so my purchasing habits will remain exactly the same: wait for the trades.

Bal · « **Reply #1341 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:37:06 AM »

All I want from comics right now is for there to be a moratorium on brand wide crossovers for three years. Just three. You can do smaller crossovers, even fairly large events, but nothing brand wide. No Crises, no Civil War or Dark Reign, or whatever else, just fucking comic books. I want a Spider-Man story that lasts more than five issues without an ad in the back promoting Spider-Man: Crossover #1 for three whole god damned years. Maybe do a story where the New York based heroes, Spidey, the FF, Luke Cage and company, but just them. Kind of like Maximum Carnage was. That was a pretty big crossover, but Thor didn't give a shit about it, because it all happened in New York, and really only over the course of like two days. Not that I hold that particular story to some great standard, but it had the right scope. Oh, and even the stuff involving other heroes happened in SPIDER-MAN BOOKS.

Thad · « **Reply #1342 on:** July 02, 2011, 12:12:51 PM »

Well, again, that kind of seems like what they're (claiming to be) doing -- even books with common characters seem to be insulated from one another. Action Comics is dealing with an early Superman, while Superman is dealing with the "modern" version; similar with the Batman in Justice League versus the one in the various Bat-books.

Again, my problem with this thing isn't its stated goals -- those are actually pretty good. My problem with it is that I'm not stupid enough to believe Lucy's really going to let me kick the football this time.

Bal · « **Reply #1343 on:** July 02, 2011, 12:16:32 PM »

That's what DC is claiming, but the problem I now have with them, even if they follow through on that, is that the premises for practically every single one of their new, rebooted books seems absolutely terrible.

Thad · « **Reply #1344 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:07:36 PM »

Spurgeon's Law. I'm interested in roughly the same number of books now as I was before, and that is rooted entirely around my affection for the creative teams on them.

I've been looking forward to Batwoman for some time, and I dig Morrison's pitch for Superman. Aside from that, bringing Stormwatch into the DCU sounds like a fucking stupid idea but I'm willing to give it a shot because Cornell's on it; I'll probably read the Demon book he's doing as well.

Büge · « **Reply #1345 on:** July 02, 2011, 05:33:48 PM »

Quote from: Thad on July 02, 2011, 04:07:36 PM

Spurgeon's Law. I'm interested in roughly the same number of books now as I was before, and that is rooted entirely around my affection for the creative teams on them.

But how long will they last with DC's harsher cancellation rules?

Thad · « **Reply #1346 on:** July 03, 2011, 11:43:00 AM »

Depends on how far ahead they are and how many fill-ins are ready to go.

Batwoman, for example, really has no excuse for being late for awhile given that it's been delayed three times at this point. And I'm sure there are drawers full of unused Batman and Superman stories that can be used in a pinch. (Apparently Kurt Busiek's Krypto story finally saw print recently; I'll have to pick that up.)

Now, books getting canceled at the drop of a hat due to low sales is probably the most potentially alarming thing about all this; Blue Beetle's been canceled once and it could easily happen again. OTOH, there are books DC's going to want to prop up for various reasons -- Jonah Hex has been in print for years despite low sales and an atrocious movie tie-in, because it's DC's only western. (That's why, while I think Ted's right that Demon could face immediate and arbitrary cancellation, I think they'll keep the western and war comics around as long as they can just for the sake of variety.) Similarly, Batwoman, Static, Blue Beetle, Firestorm, and Mr. Terrific all feature minority characters, which is something DC's trying to play up right now. (Course, I AM cynical enough to believe someone could say "Well, we only need ONE black guy" and cancel Firestorm and Mr. Terrific but leave Static.)

Still, though, books I like being canceled prematurely (Thor: Mighty Avenger) or retooled so I'm no longer interested in them (Cornell's Action Comics) aren't exactly a new phenomenon.

Ted Belmont · « **Reply #1347 on:** July 03, 2011, 11:58:27 AM »

Hopefully, the exposure Jaime's gotten from BatB will be enough to boost sales on his solo book. Of course, there's still the issue of quality: a look at Tony Bedard's wikipedia entry doesn't exactly instill me with confidence that the new title will actually be any good.

Thad · « **Reply #1348 on:** July 03, 2011, 02:12:28 PM »

Looks like he's mostly been shunted from one third-string book to another for 20 years, with a little X-Men thrown in.

I've got a soft spot for 1990's-era Valiant comics, though (though I grant that's pretty much entirely from Quantum and Woody).

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything in there that jumps out at me as great, but I'm also not seeing anything jumping out at me as awful. Except Countdown. And if I were to hold Countdown against its writing team I'd have to include Dini, so.

Büge · « **Reply #1349 on:** July 03, 2011, 05:59:42 PM »

Quote from: Bal on July 02, 2011, 10:37:06 AM

All I want from comics right now is for there to be a moratorium on brand wide crossovers for three years. Just three. You can do smaller crossovers, even fairly large events, but nothing brand wide. No Crises, no Civil War or Dark Reign, or whatever else, just fucking comic books. I want a Spider-Man story that lasts more than five issues without an ad in the back promoting Spider-Man: Crossover #1 for three whole god damned years. Maybe do a story where the New York based heroes, Spidey, the FF, Luke Cage and company, but just them. Kind of like Maximum Carnage was. That was a pretty big crossover, but Thor didn't give a shit about it, because it all happened in New York, and really only over the course of like two days. Not that I hold that particular story to some great standard, but it had the right scope. Oh, and even the stuff involving other heroes happened in SPIDER-MAN BOOKS.

I was thinking about crossovers today, and I agree with you. I would, however, like to see more integration of teams and books with the universe at large. Things like when the X-Men went to Asgard or when the Avengers fought in the Kree-Skrull War. Just a change of venue to get the characters to grow in new and interesting ways.

Or heck, put the X-Men in space. There's less than two hundred mutants in the world, so why not just fit Utopia with a warp engine or something? Humans will be happy they don't have to deal with the "mutant menace" and mutants don't have to worry about persecution.

But then again, that would mean that Wolverine wouldn't be on six teams anymore.

Thad · « **Reply #1350 on:** July 03, 2011, 07:23:06 PM »

It wouldn't and you know it.

You know, I always liked Asteroid M.

Bal · « **Reply #1351 on:** July 03, 2011, 11:04:24 PM »

I'd like a book to come out that confirms the multiple Wolverines theory.

Thad · « **Reply #1352 on:** July 03, 2011, 11:07:37 PM »

Mark Millar's run on Fantastic Four dropped Old Man Logan into the present.

EDIT: And, per Wikipedia, the Fantastic Force mini stuck him back in the future. Oh well.

Bal · « **Reply #1353 on:** July 04, 2011, 01:29:44 AM »

I was just implying that Wolverine lives in some kind of weird quantum existence where he appears to behave both as an team member and a solo hero at the same time. What I'm saying is, if you were to create a vacuum, Wolverine would appear within it.

Lottel · « **Reply #1354 on:** July 04, 2011, 06:58:59 AM »

My theory is bits of Wolverine grew into Whole Wolverines and no one noticed.

Ted Belmont · « **Reply #1355 on:** July 04, 2011, 08:56:28 AM »

Lobo had that ability, for a while.

Büge · « **Reply #1356 on:** July 08, 2011, 11:59:51 AM »

Quote from: http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-06-08-The-New-Avengers-add-a-devilish-new-member_n.htm

Following New Avengers 16, Bendis' last Fear Itself tie-in, Issue 16.1 sets up the next story line for both his Avengers and New Avengers titles: the rise of Norman Osborn and the new H.A.M.M.E.R., as well as the return of the Dark Avengers. With Osborn out of prison (as seen in Kelly Sue DeConnick's recent Osborn miniseries), he and his new group make their first big move, and the Avengers are there to deal with it.

"The idea is to really set up H.A.M.M.E.R. to be even over Hydra and A.I.M. as far as this organization that has a worldview that is just different from that of the heroes. Not necessarily villainous, but the only way for them to do what they have to do is really go to war with the Avengers and Steve Rogers. It's quite an interesting cast of characters that Norman's going to build up," says Bendis, who's currently working on next summer's "big giant hoo-hah" event. "It's pretty awesome."

Norondor · « **Reply #1357 on:** July 08, 2011, 12:40:55 PM »

... did i fall through a time portal

what year is this

Thad · « **Reply #1358 on:** July 09, 2011, 09:54:28 PM »

The biggest problem with Kirby: Genesis #1 is that the art is incredibly bland and generic -- Ross did the (excellent) layouts, and drew a few bits within the issue, but he's not the main artist; the bulk of the issue looks like any number of DC House Style artists could have drawn it.

But as I read it, it became clear that was by design: the mundane art is for the mundane scenes, and every time a Kirby character shows up the art POPS. The book is all about the contrast between real life and the ideals we've created through superhero comics, and the art reflects the high concept perfectly.

It's a decent book and I figure I'll probably stick with it. It's pretty by-the-numbers Busiek and Ross, but I LIKE by-the-numbers Busiek and Ross.

If you've never read Marvels, Astro City, or Kingdom Come, pick those up instead. But if you have, this is worth a look.

Lottel · « **Reply #1359 on:** July 10, 2011, 12:58:58 PM »

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