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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1860 on: April 25, 2012, 03:07:52 PM »

This is just something that's been bugging me about the DCNU: there seems to be a clear divide between sexualized and non-sexualized female characters, with an even number of characters on each side, but which side each character actually belongs to seems completely arbitrary. It's almost like they picked which women got skimpy outfits by throwing darts at a wall of names, character recognition be damned.

Follow-up: in addition to the de-sexualization of characters like Power Girl and Terra, we have sexualization of character most would agree shouldn't be sexualized. And they tarted her up in the most backward-assed way imaginable:



Fuck's sake, it looks like she's wearing a mud flap/diaper combo. Anyway, it reminds me of what exactly it is that I don't at like about the New 52 designs: they're not fun.

See, I have this criteria whenever I look at a super hero outfit: if you can imagine this super hero standing next to a little kid dressed up just like him or her and it looks like both hero and little kid are having fun, you have a good super hero outfit. I cannot imagine a single little kid wanting to dress up like any New 52 hero.

And any attempt at dressing a little girl up just like Super Girl there would and should get your sick ass thrown in prison.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1861 on: April 25, 2012, 03:14:22 PM »

That's terrible. That costume would look great if they just coloured the skin tone area on the legs to the same blue as the torso (i.e. make it a singlesuit rather than some absurd diaper-shirt). It's still be sexy and wouldn't be half so stupidly ludicrous. What lazy bullshit.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1862 on: April 25, 2012, 04:07:31 PM »

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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1863 on: April 25, 2012, 05:09:04 PM »

CROTCH GUARD KEEPS YOU STAIN FREE!
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1864 on: April 25, 2012, 08:41:50 PM »

I'm kinda curious as to whether it originally DID have pants and editorial decided to change it.  Like Wonder Woman's costume.

Funny thing is they JUST got Supergirl wearing shorts after finally deciding maybe the constant panty shots were not appropriate.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1865 on: April 25, 2012, 09:06:56 PM »

What I never understand is long sleeve, armored looking tops with panties and boots. This is all over and I don't get it at all.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1866 on: April 26, 2012, 08:52:11 AM »

The Comics Journal interviews Chris Roberson.  It's quite a good read.  He talks about DC's recent practice with NDA's, which Brian Wood recently described as "the devil".

He also mentions a proposal by Kurt Busiek that seems pretty obvious to me but which, of course, the Big Two will never go for: retroactively apply the terms of modern contracts to all previously-published works.  From here on in, start paying Kirby's heirs, Heck's heirs, Romita, Thomas, Friedrich, whoever, the same royalties that they would get if their books were published today, or were adapted into a movie, TV show, action figure, etc. today.  (Course, Mark Millar claims he and Hitch aren't getting squat for the Avengers movie, and Len Wein gets a creator credit for Lucius Fox but not for Wolverine -- so it's not like modern contracts are perfect.  But people who get paid are much less likely to sue.)

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And regarding iZombie, the impression I got from your previous statements is that DC currently holds the rights, up until the books go out of print, and then they revert to you. Is that correct?

No, it’s actually tied to new work no longer being commissioned, which is suggestive in and of itself that the creator-owned contracts within DC have been changed, so that going out of print is no longer the trigger. Suggesting that someone at DC realized that that maybe wasn’t the best way to go. So now with iZombie, the rights will revert a certain amount of time after Mike Allred and I are no longer commissioned to do new work.

Iiiiiinteresting.

It really is a very good read.

And so are Busiek's comments in the thread I linked, as usual; among other things, he responds to the calls to unionize by pointing out that comics creators can't, that modern law prohibits the unionization of freelancers (and things like the SWG and SAG were grandfathered in but could not be formed today).  There are a number of other creator comments up at the top, too, from Brian Wood, John Layman, and Cameron Stewart.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1867 on: April 26, 2012, 06:45:05 PM »

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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1868 on: April 26, 2012, 07:08:24 PM »

Are those red belts above Supergirl's knees connected to the boots in the back, or are they just completely separate from everything else and useless?
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1869 on: April 26, 2012, 08:14:43 PM »

completely separate from everything else and useless?

Well, it wouldn't even be close to the first time that's happened on a costume :/
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1870 on: April 26, 2012, 09:16:58 PM »

Well leaving the joints "exposed" makes sense for mitigating some of the mobility loss of primitive armor, and the thighs are packing some nice, big arteries.

But... She's invincible, right?
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1871 on: April 27, 2012, 07:33:59 AM »

An interesting(and actually effective) alternative to boycotting.

It's not actually an alternative to boycotting.  It is entirely possible to boycott and STILL donate to the Hero Initiative.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1872 on: April 27, 2012, 07:45:57 AM »

Well, yes, but I was referring to the author's suggestion of 'go see the movie/buy the comic/whatever, but donate an equivalent amount to the Hero Initiative'.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1873 on: April 27, 2012, 09:49:50 AM »

Anything that gets donations to the Hero Initiative is all right by me.  But this is one of those things people do to make themselves feel better while utterly failing to hold Marvel's feet to the fire.

(Like, um, going to see the movie for free.  Which I did last night.  Still technically did not break my boycott; I saw the movie on their dime and will not be acting as a marketing instrument for them.  Look for a non-review where I complain about standing in line tonight!

I was going to throw some money at abuckforjack.com, but Hero Initiative is probably better.)
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1874 on: April 27, 2012, 05:08:45 PM »

Look for a non-review where I complain about standing in line tonight!

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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1875 on: April 27, 2012, 08:05:52 PM »

Thanks, Thad. It's helped me put some thoughts into order.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1876 on: April 28, 2012, 03:46:44 PM »

More from Roberson, including talk of the end of iZombie, his current work on Memorial, and expanding his views on creators' rights.  Finally, he comments a bit on what his Fairest arc was going to be about.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1877 on: April 28, 2012, 09:54:09 PM »

Thanks, Thad. It's helped me put some thoughts into order.

I've very slightly revised it, adding a link to James Sturm's article on Slate from a few months back.

And an afterthought on the "They didn't do anything, they're just related to somebody" point: the reason we are having this conversation right now is that Stan Lee's uncle owned Marvel Comics.

Which isn't to knock Stan!  BUT, he got a leg up from his family too!
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1878 on: May 01, 2012, 12:00:30 PM »

TCJ is doing a rather nice roundtable discussion of a new book on Kirby called Hand of Fire (by Charles Hatfield).  Quite a lot of it is concerned with how Jack's service in the War changed him.

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There was one shell that had hit, and I saw these Germans laying in a perfect circle except the bottom half of their bodies were missing, see?  The shell evidently hit right in the middle of this group.  You see a lot of these nice designs if you’re an artist.

JESUS CHRIST.


EDIT: The comments section's worth reading too, once you get past the initial bitching about "OMG you do roundtable with people who have not read the book!"  Patrick Ford -- a guy who's handy to lay down some science in pretty much every thread about Kirby on every site on the Internet -- gives us this excerpt from an interview:

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..at Marvel I couldn’t say anything, because it would be taken away from me and put in another context, and it would be lost. All my connection to it would be severed. I created Galactus, the Silver Surfer, and an army of characters, and my connection with them is lost. You get to feel like a ghost. You’re writing commercials for somebody and…It’s a strange feeling, but I experienced it, and I didn’t like it much.

Skelly: Things are bad for you in the comics field as far as recognition goes?

Kirby: It wasn’t recognition so much—you just couldn’t take a character anywhere. You could devote time to a character, put a lot of thought into it, help it evolve, and then lose all connection.
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Re: Funnybooks
« Reply #1879 on: May 03, 2012, 06:31:30 AM »

China Mieville's Dial H is pretty good. If you liked Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol, this is quite close.

Also this week, Supreme comes back, and it manages to somehow pull together both the Alan Moore and Rob Liefeld versions of Supreme.
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