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[Mongrel]

Also the newest Batman and Robin reveal is the most WTF thing ever.

Spoilers for those of us who are curious, but not curious enough to start picking the book up? Plz?

[Royal☭]

Well, throughout Batman and Robin, Oberon Sexton has been a kind of detective on the trail of the Domino Killer.  It's made hints towards the identity of Sexton, mainly that he's faking his accent and knows more about Gotham than he probably should.  At one point both Batman and Robin accuse him of being Bruce Wayne in disguise.

But, at the end of B&R #12 [spoiler]he pulls off his mask and reveals he's the Joker in disguise[/spoiler]

[Lottel]

Saw it coming.
Still pretty sweet.

[Büge]

Chris Sims discusses the racist implications of bringing back the Silver Age.

But you can't really even blame the creators entirely, because it's reinforced by the fans. I'm sure a lot of it comes from the fact that the stories are often good stories (as I said, the Legion stuff isn't necessarily what I want the Legion to be, but it's still very enjoyable), but there's an underlying resistance to change that seems to come out in a far more ugly manner when race is involved. Again, I would certainly hope that the majority of comics fans aren't racist, but I heard John Stewart referred to as "Black Lantern" years before Nekron started sending out rings, and I've heard enough people refer to Jason Rusch as "Blackstorm" to know that a lot of them don't understand that casual racism is still racism.

[Zach]

Saw it coming.
Still pretty sweet.

There were enough red herrings and false leads that it could have been a few other characters, but /co/ had me pretty firmly convinced. Still, I can't help feeling that Morrison [spoiler]pulled one Oberon us[/spoiler].

I'm excited about caveBatman.

Yeah, that one's not mine. I'm inordinately fond of it though.

[Thad]

The latest Hellboy one-shot is about Hellboy going to Mexico and fighting a demon-bat luchadore.

And is drawn by MOTHERFUCKING RICHARD CORBEN.

Haven't been to the comic shop yet this week (still working my way through my FCBD stack...and the shitload of trades I bought at 20% off), but that is at the top of my list.  Followed by Batman and Robin and Allred and some writer's iZombie.

Chris Sims discusses the racist implications of bringing back the Silver Age.

It's a great thread but what's shocking about it is that nobody seems to have brought this up before.  I mean, it's incredibly fucking obvious to me.

Pleasantly surprising: nobody is arguing with him about it; all the replies are positive.

I have a few posts in there myself.  I bring up my usual point about how, while Batwoman is largely a positive portrayal of a lesbian character, unintentional stereotyping DOES crop up, in that of the two other lesbians I can think of in the DCU, one is her ex and the other just moved to Gotham to be her love interest.

Speaking of her ex, when someone acknowledges "Well, I WOULD like to do away with Montoya and bring Vic back as the Question," I respond that that's kind of exactly the point -- you don't like Renee, I don't like Kyle, somebody doesn't like Jaime, and pretty soon EVERYBODY has a minority legacy character they'd rather roll back to the version they liked better, which is exactly what's happening.

Also, I'm not the only person in the thread to point out that Barry and Hal are legacies themselves.

[Mongrel]

Well, that's when you get right to the heart fo the fact that after what in some cases is eighty-odd years of constant storytelling, there's just WAY too much baggage. Period. Full Stop.

The only escape is the Kirby way: "Make a new story, kid."

[Zaratustra]

Now hey, Geoff Johns would never be racist. I mean there's John Stewart right here in ... where the hell did he go.

[Thad]

Spoilers for those of us who are curious, but not curious enough to start picking the book up? Plz?

Well worth picking up, actually.  As much of a mess as RIP got to be (and I actually kinda liked RIP), Batman and Robin has just been a great, fun read from day one.  Art was a little meh on the second arc but has just been great in the other 9 issues to date.

And while Morrison hasn't given up the complexity of his storytelling, he's ratcheted the pacing way up.  Not only does he do three-issue arcs where most guys do six-, but #12 in particular could have been three issues if another writer did it.  Twelve if it was Bendis.  It's got a nice, satisfying three-act arc: Batman vs. Robin, Damian confronts Talia while Dick confronts Slade, and the exploration of the Batcave with Oberon's identity revealed at the end.

Saw it coming.
Still pretty sweet.

[spoiler]He's acting very out-of-character, but that works fine for how Morrison's set him up: the Joker reinvents himself periodically (which explains how the Sprang-era Joker is the same guy as the Killing Joke version).

And he would be due for a BIG change with Batman out of the picture.  I don't think there's any question here; the Joker knew IMMEDIATELY that this Batman wasn't HIS Batman.  He's the fucking Joker; he KNOWS.

And I like the "not as good a detective as his predecessors" jab to hammer it home.[/spoiler]

[Büge]

Siege sucks ass

[Büge]

Also, I finished reading The Black Dossier.

Quite frankly, it's bad. It's pretty much... how do I describe it...

Okay, you know how the first League of Extraordinary Gentlemen book (and to a lesser extent, the second) had little references here and there to reward the well-read and keen-eyed?

Well, here is where the window-dressing takes over. Imagine you're trapped in Shelob's lair, getting suffocated by spiderwebs. Only the strands are Alan Moore's beard crusted with self-congratulatory semen. Understand that there is a story in the book, but it takes a Master's Degree in English Language and Literature to get everything else.

[Mongrel]

Imagine you're trapped in Shelob's lair, getting suffocated by spiderwebs. Only the strands are Alan Moore's beard crusted with self-congratulatory semen.

Honestly? This is is what pretty much anything that I've ever read by Alan Moore other than Watchmen feels like.

I mean, okay, he's not as bad in that regard as Dave Sim... but that's like comparing a pixellated Doom imp to the naked face of Lucifer himself.

[TA]

Imagine you're trapped in Shelob's lair, getting suffocated by spiderwebs. Only the strands are Alan Moore's beard crusted with self-congratulatory semen.

Honestly? This is is what pretty much anything that I've ever read by Alan Moore other than Watchmen feels like.

THANK you.  100% agree.

[Zaratustra]

Much of Alan Moore writes is essentially fanfiction, and thus subject to all its dangers.

[TA]

This is decidedly true.  LXG doubly so, because it's crossover fanfiction.

[Lottel]

Sorry to break up with MooreFest, but damn. Read Justice League: Generation Lost #1.
This is going to be great. This is going to be better than great.

Max finally asked the question: [spoiler]How can I be a bad guy? I am trying to save the world. Someone killed me and the universe BROUGHT ME BACK. How can I be doing the wrong thing?[/spoiler]

[Thad]

See, I quite liked Black Dossier, particularly the Wooster and Jeeves vs. Cthulhu bit.  And I don't think Watchmen is Moore's best work.  (I quite like it, but V is better.)

[Mongrel]

It's been over 15 years since I read V, so I may be willing to concede that on a re-read.

[Zach]

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 1910 is a lot more like the first two books. It led me to learn more about Bertold Brecht, but I see that as a positive rather than a crushing weight.

[Büge]

See, I quite liked Black Dossier, particularly the Wooster and Jeeves vs. Cthulhu bit.  And I don't think Watchmen is Moore's best work.  (I quite like it, but V is better.)

I will concede that the Wooster and Jeeves bit was delightful.