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Bal · « **Reply #820 on:** July 25, 2010, 04:23:54 PM »

Compared to OMD/BND the Clone Saga was a motherfucking masterpiece.

Mongrel · « **Reply #821 on:** July 25, 2010, 04:50:16 PM »

Why does that shit always happen to Spider Man?

At least when they did it in other main franchises, they'd do it to characters nobody cares about, or make brand new ones for the express purpose of suffering it.

I mean, I haven't actively cared about any of these characters in years, but I'm still curious why Spidey always draws the short(est) straw on HORRENDOUS STORYLINE CONFUCKERY.

Bongo Bill · « **Reply #822 on:** July 25, 2010, 04:59:15 PM »

There are many differing ideas about the Platonic Ideal of Spider-Man, as well as many differing ideas about how to spice him up. The writers often feel compelled to change the character, and consequently they feel compelled to write stories about how these changes take place. And since he's such a big character, they're not going to write a small story about the changes. The end result is that he has the worst case of continuititis of any superhero (which is no small feat).

Royal☭ · « **Reply #823 on:** July 25, 2010, 06:17:35 PM »

Hey, for all the hate on Spider-man lately, SHED was a pretty damn fine story. That said, it's baffling that apparently Spider-man's marriage to Mary Jane is somehow the most important event in the Marvel universe. 'One More Day' was this slipshod, terrible way to solve the problem of Spider-man's marriage.

It's not that Spider-man and Mary Jane were a bad couple, it's just that Spider-man began to be so far removed from his everyman roots that he was difficult to relate to. A teenager/college student who has trouble making ends meet and holding a steady job while trying to maintain relationships and girlfriends is a helluva lot more relatable than a guy who is married to a supermodel and living it up in the Avenger's Tower.

Mongrel · « **Reply #824 on:** July 25, 2010, 06:58:51 PM »

When did Mary-Jane become a supermodel?

Or were you just referring to the current method of drawing her.

Kashan · « **Reply #825 on:** July 25, 2010, 08:07:58 PM »

Quote from: Constantmean on July 25, 2010, 06:17:35 PM

Hey, for all the hate on Spider-man lately, SHED was a pretty damn fine story. That said, it's baffling that apparently Spider-man's marriage to Mary Jane is somehow the most important event in the Marvel universe. 'One More Day' was this slipshod, terrible way to solve the problem of Spider-man's marriage.

It's not that Spider-man and Mary Jane were a bad couple, it's just that Spider-man began to be so far removed from his everyman roots that he was difficult to relate to. A teenager/college student who has trouble making ends meet and holding a steady job while trying to maintain relationships and girlfriends is a helluva lot more relatable than a guy who is married to a supermodel and living it up in the Avenger's Tower.

I don't think the fact that he finally had a good life made him difficult to relate to at all, magically resetting his history does make him difficult to relate to though. He was living in avengers tower and was married to a supermodel but this wasn't sprung on him like he won the lottery, it came about naturally as a result of his story. And at the same time that he was experiencing such great things, he was also teaching science at his old run down inner city high-school, which I thought was one of the better places they possibly could have taken Peter Parker as an adult. Instead now we've got Peter Parker as an eternal man-child still scraping by with the same job he had in high school.

One of the great things about Spider-man up until OMD was that he was one of the very few superheros to actually grow and permanently change as his story went on. He actually graduated high school, graduated college, dated, got married, got new jobs, and matured. His villains actually had some sense of mortality. His friends and family had a sense of mortality. It's wasn't perfect, he had a lot of dumb stories over the years, but I think that it's was right for Peter Parker to eventually move past isolating and torturing himself. It's not like there wasn't enough pathos along the way to justify a little happiness.

Mongrel · « **Reply #826 on:** July 25, 2010, 08:23:25 PM »

There's a lot of validity to that idea.

I mean, the whole thing about someone being relatable goes hand in hand with wanting to see the relatable guy finally succeed. Eternal cockblocking just leads to intense frustration (and blueballs).

It doesn't work so well with say... Superman or Batman, because they're basically mythological figures, but Peter Parker is supposed to be an everyman. And while sometimes they win and sometimes they lose, everymen usually don't stay on some bullshit habitrail hamster wheel for sixty years.

teg · « **Reply #827 on:** July 25, 2010, 08:48:46 PM »

I like that even the title acronym implies that this will be a retcon.

Thad · « **Reply #828 on:** July 25, 2010, 09:43:22 PM »

Quote from: Kashan on July 25, 2010, 08:07:58 PM

He was living in avengers tower and was married to a supermodel but this wasn't sprung on him like he won the lottery, it came about naturally as a result of his story.

No, it didn't, it was sprung on him like he won the lottery.

Peter Parker got married to Mary Jane because Stan Lee did it in the comic strip and demanded that they do it in the regular comics too. MJ hadn't even BEEN a major character in the comics for YEARS at that point and they had to find a way to awkwardly shoehorn her back in.

And he and Wolverine were added to the Avengers because nobody was buying Avengers.

I'm with Constantine -- the marriage was a bad idea in the first place and shouldn't have happened, but I'm really hard-pressed to think of a worse way to reset the status quo than the deal-with-the-devil route Quesada went. Honest to God, the Clone Saga WAS a better way to get the marriage out of the way -- and it was still FUCKING AWFUL.

Zaratustra · « **Reply #829 on:** July 26, 2010, 08:22:25 AM »

You're right! Peter should marry an ugly girl instead OH WAIT THERE ARE NO UGLY GIRLS IN COMICS.

Mongrel · « **Reply #830 on:** July 26, 2010, 08:28:50 AM »

Jimmy Soul - If you wanna be happy

Bal · « **Reply #831 on:** July 26, 2010, 02:39:02 PM »

I also think that BND failed on a deeper level than just story telling. The message is sent was, basically, hey kids, don't grieve the loss of a loved one with the support of family and friends, instead throw all that into the fucking crucible and reset your life so you can run away from your problems at the expense of everything you supposedly held dear. It doesn't help that in the preceding months Marvel had gone out of their way to make the MJ/Peter relationship really very good, only to spit it all back in our faces. For the first time in years their relationship was strong, believable, and actually likable and then not only do they cock that up, but they do in the worst way I can think of, with the worst message attached.

Fucking disgusting.

Büge · « **Reply #832 on:** July 26, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »

Thad · « **Reply #833 on:** July 26, 2010, 09:12:01 PM »

Quote from: Zaratustra on July 26, 2010, 08:22:25 AM

You're right! Peter should marry an ugly girl instead OH WAIT THERE ARE NO UGLY GIRLS IN COMICS.

There actually IS a middle-ground between "supermodel" and "ugly girl". Though I've been trying to explain that to Spram for 5 years to no avail.

This is probably as good a time as any to remember that Ditko ostensibly wanted MJ to be homely. (I've seen that story questioned recently, with a quote attributed to Ditko basically saying "No, Stan and I didn't have any disagreements over the direction of the book, because he had absolutely nothing to do with the plotting." Couldn't find a primary source, but it sounds like something he or anyone else who worked with Stan in the '60's would say.)

Royal☭ · « **Reply #834 on:** July 27, 2010, 02:30:29 PM »

Dwayne McDuffie working on animated All-Star Superman adaptation

Rico · « **Reply #835 on:** July 27, 2010, 04:27:48 PM »

That is pretty good news. I haven't seen the entire run yet, but aside from New Frontier being way too short to cover its book, the DC dtv stuff has been of pretty high quality.

Büge · « **Reply #836 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:18:04 AM »

The Avengers is going to lay the groundwork for a Cosmic Marvel film franchise!

Ted Belmont · « **Reply #837 on:** July 28, 2010, 08:20:11 AM »

A trilogy based on Annihilation would be fuckawesome.

Bal · « **Reply #838 on:** August 05, 2010, 12:48:00 AM »

Haha, holy fucking shit. Have you read this new Spider-Man? You can't even try to be this bad. Only natural talent can explain it.

Büge · « **Reply #839 on:** August 05, 2010, 06:37:46 AM »

Well, it is Joe Quesada...

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