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[Norondor]

My chosen class (zealot) has gear that's itemized wrong and playing it in PVP is pure pain. Oh, also, have i mentioned what a huge fan i am of the fact that PVP instances only have 4 tiers across 40 levels, when each level makes an enormous difference in terms of how effective you are, and while they scale the power of your skills and your stats, they don't scale gear? It's so fly 

there's also the fact that ironbreakers are FUCKING broken but that's another issue altogether.

[Brentai]

...isn't that the exact issue tiers were supposed to address?

[Norondor]

yep! they did just the opposite.

at least at tier two, where the highest-level players all have mounts and everyone else just gets shit on from as great a height as you can imagine.

[Norondor]

In all seriousness i'll still keep playing the game, but definitely not as zealot, and probably not even as Destruction, if they don't fix Ironbreakers straightaway.

[Niku]

yeah i hear that all the renown gear for maguses in tier 2 is loaded up with strength and weapon skill 8) gg mythic

ANYWAY I AM PLAYING NOW SO YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE MEANINGLESS BECAUSE THIS IS NIKUTOWN NOW

[Norondor]

yeah, i get initiative, i guess because zealots are supposed to be detecting witch hunters. usually i do this by being slaughtered in two seconds by them, but whatever.

I mean, the t2 renown gear for zealots doesn't even have armor. Just init. If i get 500 of it, that's 1% parry!

[Classic]

If money weren't an object and you had 5 hours a week to play with a consistent posse of people, would you rather go WoW or Warhammer, and why? Or, if neither, what MMO would you go for?

[Brentai]

5 hours a week?  Neither.  Go play PSU or some other instanced game where you don't have to deal with the rest of the world pounding you with their giant dicks.

[Norondor]

WAR, honestly. It's WoW 2.0 PVP edition, and it's fun. It's got a solid foundation and once the bugs and balance issues are ironed out it'll be fantastic.

Cryptic is building on a solid base here. WoW is going to be mediocre forever.

[Bal]

Apparently getting a stupid team is unforgivable. Deleting local content.

RE: Ironbreakers. I hate to say it, but L2P, and also realize that a tank with a two-hander is supposed to be a threat to you, and low level PVP is not completely balanced. Ask Malvado about Ironbreakers. It takes like three of them to kill him, and that's without me guarding him.

[Norondor]

I forgot about all the options i have to deal with ironbreakers, like running slower than them because they have a permanent snare and not being able to outheal their damage. Should i be using shadowform? Is the key my thoroughly useless damage shield, which protects me from a little less than one melee hit before breaking and has a 15 second cooldown?

ETA: i like how you can ping-pong directly from "learn to play, noob" to "the game's not supposed to be balanced" without your head exploding from cognitive dissonance.

[Bal]

I didn't say it's not supposed to be balanced, I said that it isn't balanced, and judging two classes (Zealot and Ironbreaker) by their performance at level 11 is ridiculous. I admit that there is not much you can do personally at level 11, but to say that tier 2 is a total wash is just ignorant. Any tier can be rough if you're at minimum level, but by the time you're half way through it you're a near par with anyone in there thanks to bolster, and regardless of your success in the scenarios you are always quite well rewarded, and the alternative to the tier system they have is not being able to get into a scenario most of the time. Believe me, I played before they implemented the current system, and in the lower populated tiers the scenarios never popped due to the level gaps.

If you can deal, then just wait until you're half way through the tier before you queue up. As for the L2P comment, I was just being glib.

Addendum: And by "unbalanced", I'm not talking about something major, like WoW hunters at 19. I'm talking about some classes being too powerful against classes against which they are already intended to be effective.

[Norondor]

What i've heard from Malvado -- and actually, what i'm seeing RIGHT NOW -- is that i am not actually rewarded for PVP in any meaningful way. I don't have any fucking use for gloves with +20 init on them, or boots with +23 init on them, or a charm with +30 init on it. I'm still using gear from PQs in chapter 2 because i haven't gotten anything better.

As for bolstering, it is a cute idea that clearly Does Not Fucking Work, or i would have a chance against someone who's +5 on me. Maybe not a great chance -- i'm down 2-3 mastery points, maybe a blue piece of gear, and some class skills which could mean the difference -- but better than being able to take out maybe 4% of their total health before being curbstomped.

Or are zealots honestly just supposed to sit as far back as possible and toss out HoTs and run if they are spotted? I feel like i'm falling further and further behind the power curve, enemies in PVE are half-killing me or more, and it takes some 30 seconds to kill a single equal-level mob. Part of this is probably the fact that as mentioned my renown gear is totally worthless, but if i inadvertently rolled a holy priest that will explain a few things, including why it is i am never playing zombor again ever ever ever.

[Bal]

Admittedly itemization is a little screwy, although that may be intentional in an attempt to fight mudflation. That's in the minds of the developers however. I think the main point here is that Zealots are a full on, sit back and fucking heal class. You can solo in PVE well enough, but you are not now, nor will you ever be, a face melter. Your DPS tree is for leveling, and maybe a bit of extra damage in PVP, but you are playing the healingest class that Destruction possesses.

I think you might be happier on Magus. Their form of DPS is as close to shadow priest as this game allows.

[Norondor]

Contrary to popular belief, i don't really mind healing (i mean, i always roll healer...), so that wasn't why i went shadow. I did it because i actually hate being totally helpless (also, because it was enormously overpowered). The only things i see coming up are, like, AOE damage spells, which is puzzing considering how totally useless Zealot damage is -- do they get any really useful abilities on par with PW:S, Psychic Scream, or whatever? Am i going to be totally at the mercy of Danknuggz the Chosen to decide whether or not he wants to keep me safe, while i have no choice but to heal useless idiots? because if so, Zealot is seriously not for me.

[Norondor]

Admittedly itemization is a little screwy, although that may be intentional in an attempt to fight mudflation.

Actually, on this note: are you getting a ton of ballistic skill and int on your black orc's renown gear, or what?

[Niku]

Noro: You might try rolling the PQs for a while for gear.  I have not actually looked into Zealot gear much, but I hear the PQ T2 gear for Maguses is correctly itemized where their Renown gear is not, and vice versa for T3.  It's fucked up, but it's one of those "lol thanx for playing an mmo at launch" sort of things.

[Norondor]

Well, it's academic, because after talking with norn i suddenly realized that I am playing WHM and this cannot be tolerated, so now i am looking at shaman/disciple/sorceress.

[Niku]

to be fair, it's less academic when you realize it is entirely possible that at some tier or another, everyone's gear might be busted right now 

[Norondor]

a WHM with a ton of great +wis and +cha and -threat gear is still a fucking WHM.