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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #360 on: July 05, 2010, 02:41:19 PM »

Rahm Emmanuel still has a job.  If he were running around undermining Obama's authority, well, if he'd been a four-star general he'd have gotten fired.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #361 on: November 20, 2010, 11:00:26 PM »

Yesterday, I had to go to the feed store and buy fish amoxicillian to deal with my strep throat infection because I can't afford a doctor.

Today, I came into work, and we're apparently doing a fundraiser for a local girl who has stage 2 lymphoma (at age 24!) whose insurance dropped her when she tried to get chemo.

Sure am glad Oklahoma has decided to opt out of health care reform! Can't have that socialism, guys. Repeal it! hurr durr hurr.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #362 on: November 21, 2010, 02:56:47 PM »

You should just work harder at your job and then you could afford a doctor. Bootstraps!
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #363 on: November 21, 2010, 03:01:56 PM »

You should just work harder at your job and then you could afford

I've always wondered why we can't tell wealthy America to do that.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #364 on: November 21, 2010, 03:48:22 PM »

That was among the more radical idea proposed here. That universal coverage be reduced or eliminated for the wealthy.

So in your case, you'd be extending medicare.

Of course, I'd prefer to keep it universal, while raising overall tax rates on the wealthy instead, but the Scandinavian part of my genes isn't exactly representative of the majority of North Americans, sooooo...
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #365 on: November 21, 2010, 03:51:12 PM »

I thought that's exactly what we ended up doing.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #366 on: November 21, 2010, 03:57:45 PM »

Well, sort of. I think you guys stopped a little short (the Canadian suggestion would have seen almost all the middle class remain fully covered).

Anyway. Never mind the fact that Obamacare won't be fully active for years. Let's wait and see how much fight it'll take to prevent a repeal.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #367 on: November 21, 2010, 04:12:55 PM »

The middle class is just something the American poor calls itself to feel better.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #368 on: November 21, 2010, 07:04:50 PM »

Fair point.

Hell, it's just about the same here anyway.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #369 on: November 21, 2010, 08:53:24 PM »

Anyway. Never mind the fact that Obamacare won't be fully active for years. Let's wait and see how much fight it'll take to prevent a repeal.

Obama's got a veto pen and there's no way a veto-proof majority passes repeal.  Hell, in the Senate there's no way a SIMPLE majority passes repeal.

The Republicans know that and they're more likely just to filibuster any budget that includes funding for it.

I think we really ARE looking at a replay of the Class of '94 Let's Shut Down the Government Because We Have a Mandate foolishness.  The two major questions are, are the Republicans dumb enough to do it AGAIN, and are the Democrats smart enough to let them?
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #370 on: November 21, 2010, 09:43:19 PM »

Yes, No.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #371 on: November 22, 2010, 01:05:32 AM »

If repeal even came up for vote, I could honestly see a lot of republican veterans abstaining, esp. those who aren't up for re-election for a while. There can't really be anyone experienced in congress who actually thinks reform isn't going to become extremely popular in 2014 when it actually takes effect, and it sounds like 'voted to take away health care for cancer survivors' or 'voted to take away health care for veterans with congenital heart failure' would be a great sound bite once Fox and the republican media machine can't bullshit their way around things anymore.

This is literally the same fucking thing that happened with social security and medicare, which is why Republicans want to repeal it so goddamn bad in the first place.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #373 on: December 13, 2010, 08:52:11 PM »

literally

 ::(:

Which isn't to say that I don't love the idea that the Republicans have an enormous pair of pants somewhere, and when they need to bribe somebody they just fill it with cash, kidnap the person to be bribed, and then remove their blindfold while they're standing in an enormous pants pocket full of money.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #374 on: December 13, 2010, 10:28:31 PM »

You have to willfully misinterpret my statement just to make a petty semantic argument that we had like literally two weeks ago.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #375 on: December 13, 2010, 10:58:20 PM »

a) I neither was party to nor saw said petty semantic argument; b) you're still using the word wrong.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #376 on: December 13, 2010, 11:02:30 PM »

Sorry, it was an argument we had literally a month ago.

But I'm only using the word wrong if you accept - stubbornly - that the only meaning for "in the pocket of" is to mean it at face value, and that the phrase has no other meaning.  It's a metaphor, but I'm not using "literally" hyperbolically.

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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #377 on: December 13, 2010, 11:05:00 PM »

...I can see how you could have gotten into an argument about this before.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #378 on: December 14, 2010, 01:43:45 AM »

This is literally an argument that's come up over and again for years on the boards and I wish it would literally die.

Guess which one of those is used for hyperbole and which isn't.
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Re: Health Care Reform
« Reply #379 on: December 14, 2010, 03:25:50 AM »

Personally I'm not upset about the fact that the federal government can't force me to buy something that I may or may not want.
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